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Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby ScottyRE » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:08 am

A few yrs back we had a great leader who had begun to guide us in establishing "zones" in and around the Calgary area in the event that a bug out scenario warranted it. The idea was to find those who lived in various zones around the outer city limits who were willing to become a muster point so that those of us who lived within the city proper had a place to go if needed. We would gather up and fortify at those locations until the situations that called for such a muster was lifted and we could return to our homes or perhaps dependent on the circumstances... remain and prosper as a self sufficient community. Hard to imagine but it doesn't take much to cause such a thing to be needed. I for one live in the deep south end of the city about 20 minutes away from Okotoks so someone in that general direction or out towards Bragg Creek perhaps, lethbridge maybe... basically south end of Calgary - would be the area for myself to find someone and network with and establish a relationship with for such an event.

I think we should all be working towards such connections.

All that said.. who would be interested in this (?) and dependent on the responses... we can then work towards getting the ball rolling with meetings, discussions, plans and what not.
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby Zana » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:31 am

I read something a while back about the number of exits out of Calgary in a disaster. If I were you I would not only consider an exit in your end of town but also-which roads would the powers that be might shut down. I would consider all the scenarios you can think of. I worry that routes south could be blocked because of a threat from the south,but I'm probably overly paranoid. Also the land close to southern Calgary is very expensive and fairly populated. I think a lot of people will bug out to the mountains. I'm not sure why as not many people could make it through their first winter there. There are few routes west so it wouldn't be the best idea if you don't want to be stopped.
I'm in a position of owning my place west of Edmonton. I would suggest that the only way you can be sure of what you have is to own it yourself-even if it's a small piece of land without even a building. If it has no building or well you may have trouble getting a mortgage, but if you put a lot of time in searching you may find a landowner willing to carry it for you. The trick is to spend your summer going to communities you think would be good and put up a note in stores or boards for postings. Not everyone uses computers and it'll give you a chance to find out about 'hidden deals'. Even a bit of land near a source of water that you can put a sea can on is better than nothing. And you can use it for summer camping trips. And maybe let others put their cans there for a monthly fee to help you pay your land off. Note:in my county there are new rules that one can only have three sea cans on their property. I don't know if you could have more if they are being built into a housing structure. Something to be looked into.
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby Zana » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:37 am

I read something a while back about the number of exits out of Calgary in a disaster. If I were you I would not only consider an exit in your end of town but also-which roads would the "powers that be" might shut down. I would consider all the scenarios you can think of. I worry that routes south could be blocked because of a threat from the south,but I'm probably overly paranoid. Also the land close to southern Calgary is very expensive and fairly populated. I think a lot of people will bug out to the mountains. I'm not sure why as not many people could make it through their first winter there. There are few routes west so it wouldn't be the best idea if you don't want to be stopped.
I'm in a position of owning my place west of Edmonton. I would suggest that the only way you can be sure of what you have is to own it yourself-even if it's a small piece of land without even a building. If it has no building or well you may have trouble getting a mortgage, but if you put a lot of time in searching you may find a landowner willing to carry it for you. The trick is to spend your summer going to communities you think would be good and put up a note in stores or boards for postings. Not everyone uses computers and it'll give you a chance to find out about 'hidden deals'. Even a bit of land near a source of water that you can put a sea can on is better than nothing. And you can use it for summer camping trips. And maybe let others put their cans there for a monthly fee to help you pay your land off. Note:in my county there are new rules that one can only have three sea cans on their property. I don't know if you could have more if they are being built into a housing structure. Something to be looked into.
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby Blacksheep » Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:48 am

What's the potential threat from south of Calgary ?
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby Antsy » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:15 am

Blacksheep wrote:What's the potential threat from south of Calgary ?


Lethbians... The crazed citizens of Lethbridge
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby ScottyRE » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:50 pm

Lol@ "Lethbians". I think those or the ladies Mike Tyson finds unappealing.
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby Dangphool » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:35 am

This is an interesting post in that Briden Solutions had tried to create that community and networking ability with their website but it never took off or never gained enough critical mass. Preppers often equals tinfoil hats unfortunately. Those not outright paranoid are simply "cautious" of strangers knowing where their stash is. Maybe for good reason. It takes a long time to develop that much trust in others when your family's lives may depend on those supplies.
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby ScottyRE » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:14 pm

Dangphool wrote:This is an interesting post in that Briden Solutions had tried to create that community and networking ability with their website but it never took off or never gained enough critical mass. Preppers often equals tinfoil hats unfortunately. Those not outright paranoid are simply "cautious" of strangers knowing where their stash is. Maybe for good reason. It takes a long time to develop that much trust in others when your family's lives may depend on those supplies.



I totally get and understand that. My goal on here over the years has been to try and stimulate some open levels of trust and faith in man and work with people willing to do that. The shut in's can keep on keeping on and that's okay too. Folks up here are far more trusting than those further south on this continent I find and I'm willing to put myself out there 100% to not only support but share if need be. Point should be made though... the more you have the less likely you are to probably be willing to share it I suppose. I for one have very little. No food or water stores, no CB radio, no property, etc. Just my gun, my skills, my jeep and my camping gear and the ability to use it all combined with military and private security skills learned/earned over a lifetime.

I think folks like me who are a bit less prepper minded (more survivalist minded instead) than others should look to band together to feed off one another if and when such a time demands such an alliance. Those of you who are more prepper minded and established should probably perhaps look to recruiting folks like us to help solidify your security (you can't stay awake all the time to protect it) , maintain the place, apply engineering or agricultural skills and so on or just continue to remain flying solo. It definitely is a tricky thing when you have more to lose. I get it.
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby helicopilot » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:01 pm

ScottyRE wrote:I for one have very little. No food or water stores, no CB radio, no property, etc. Just my gun, my skills, my jeep and my camping gear and the ability to use it all combined with military and private security skills learned/earned over a lifetime.

Those of you who are more prepper minded and established should probably perhaps look to recruiting folks like us to help solidify your security (you can't stay awake all the time to protect it) or just continue to remain flying solo.


Interesting concept on which I would like to chime in, more for the sake of discussion than to critique.

First and foremost, I 100% agree that survival of an "apocalyptic" scenario would involve banding together so as to bring security in numbers, and also to cover all the labour required to feed, water, heat people. The concept of hired guns seem interesting to me because looking historically at mercenaries, it's really hard to ascertain loyalty of those individuals. If I were to rely on hired guns to protect my property, who is to say that when the roaming hordes come in, that you won't defect after I've fed / lodged you (and your family I presume) for several weeks, months or years? Or what if, like any other "employee" you end up being let go, will you turn against me automatically and use your military skills/guns to take what is mine?

I suppose this is why you suggest getting to know each others before hand, so as to create some bonds.
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Re: Re-establishing bug out zones

Postby ScottyRE » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:02 pm

Very true. Hiring a gun hand because they are good with guns is very risky, no doubt.People who take pride in specializing in the hurt game are a dangerous breed. I think hiring ground hands that understand guns is a better way to go. People who can build, repair, grow, and maintain are key. If they can shoot and protect, etc... thats the icing but no matter what... all of plausible scenarios are risky.
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