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Odin Gray
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby Odin Gray » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:09 am

The military arrived after the evacuation and to the best of my knowledge DID NOT assist people during the process.

While some soldiers may have assisted in the fire fighting, I did NOT observe any dirty uniforms.

They served to prevent civilians from returning to their homes by manning roadblocks with the APVs providing an intimidation factor. My neighborhood burned on July 7: by the next day it was safe enough to return (some did). Yet the Powers-That-Be kept us out for 20 days. Even now (3 weeks after the evacuation order was lifted) the military is still here for some reason.

This was an excercise in "soft" Martial Law and like good sheep the average person accepted it without question.


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Personally, I would rather have someone steal my TV than give up what I thought were rights and freedoms of being Canadian.
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby helicopilot » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:19 pm

Odin Gray wrote:The military arrived after the evacuation and to the best of my knowledge DID NOT assist people during the process.

While some soldiers may have assisted in the fire fighting, I did NOT observe any dirty uniforms.

They served to prevent civilians from returning to their homes by manning roadblocks with the APVs providing an intimidation factor. My neighborhood burned on July 7: by the next day it was safe enough to return (some did). Yet the Powers-That-Be kept us out for 20 days. Even now (3 weeks after the evacuation order was lifted) the military is still here for some reason.

This was an excercise in "soft" Martial Law and like good sheep the average person accepted it without question.


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Personally, I would rather have someone steal my TV than give up what I thought were rights and freedoms of being Canadian.



Interesting, Maybe something to question your MP and MLA on. You can even lodge a request for information on your concerns.

I have no idea what the troops are, but I have helicopter pilot friends there that are equally frustrated with being there and not doing anything. I think the army sent helicopters around a month ago and they've been waiting in Kamloops / Williams Lake "just in case" since. I suppose it's the government (provincial and federal) showing they are poised to respond if needed, but the response time would be too long from their bases.

I've read an access to information report about the floods south of Calgary and the military presence there and from what I read, it really looks like they made it clear they weren't there in any kind of law-enforcement duties. Well, at least that what the grown ups were saying, how that translated at the soldier level can sometimes be different.

As a side note to your experience (sorry about the damage to your property by the way), even if the Canadian government somehow decided to impose martial law, it could only be very localized and for a very short period of time. The military, even assisted with militia and the RCMP and all the local police forces around wouldn't be able to impose a whole lot. I also think a lot of soldiers would walk away after a short while, realizing that this is wrong. Now, nothing to help in your case though, but I would surmise that if there was a checkpoint manned only by the military, that you could walk right through. They may call the mounties though and that is a different story.

Hope you can get back on your feet soon.
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby DJPrepper » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:31 pm

What rights does a Property Owner have to stay on their property during an evacuation ?

Can people be compelled to leave or can they refuse and stay, i.e. : to fight off the fire themselves and protect their property from thieves ?
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby Odin Gray » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:51 pm

We are back on our feet as the feet never left the ground. It was an extremely close call, but only 30% burns to lawn, garden, and scrub brush. Thanks for your sentiments though.

The soldiers were always with an arsie-em-pee member even though the govt officials brought in up to 600 extra police officers before that. The armed forces were there purely to "show muscle" to prevent premature returnees, intimidate cattle ranchers, and keep Indians (aka First Nations Individuals and Communities) in line.

Any other duties were a smoke screen for enforcement assistance.

Legally, you cannot be forced off your property. But my heroic neighbor was threatened with arrest if he stepped foot off his own property again even to put out spot fires. Near 100 Mile House, a person was arrested and charged with " Violating an Evacuation Order" when he went to feed his neighbors cat (with cat/home owners permission).

Any children under 18 years old can be seized.
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby HopeImReady » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:45 am

Very discouraging, I agree with HP, complain to your MP & MLA, and maybe the media if no traction. You would think they learned from High River. I work with the military so I don't want to dump unfairly on them, however in terms of disaster response, when we had the floods here in early summer, the govt called in the military more as a way to show they were "doing something", days too late & several dollars short. Once they arrived, they had nothing organized, most was under control and lots of photo ops, with the media saying "see, the military is here" type of thing, but the residents said they got zero help with anything. I think it was more for the heavy equipment than manpower. The volunteers and local residents had pumping & thousands of sandbags filled and placed by hand, going for days before the mayor declared an emergency. I think the military contributed a grand total of 1 sandbagging machine. But at least they did not try to act like pseudo law enforcement...
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby DJPrepper » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:56 pm

Odin Gray wrote:Legally, you cannot be forced off your property. But my heroic neighbor was threatened with arrest if he stepped foot off his own property again even to put out spot fires. Near 100 Mile House, a person was arrested and charged with " Violating an Evacuation Order" when he went to feed his neighbors cat (with cat/home owners permission).

Any children under 18 years old can be seized.


So they can't force you of your own property, but the minute you step on someone else's, they've got you.

That last part re: children, that is very concerning. So anyone with kids would be forced to decide : abandon your home or abandon your kids. Not a good question to ask anyone at any stage, but in a high stress and serious situation ...
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby scrounger » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:18 pm

Question for the group.

If a property owner decides against evacuating when gov calls for it, then later has to be rescued when situation takes a turn for the worst. Should homeowner be liable for cost of rescue?
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby term0shad » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:06 pm

I would personally say yes. Really if your not smart enough to make the call to leave if you did stay. When you know your putting your life in danger. Stuff can be replaced. A life can not be replaced. You are all preppers. You should all know weather to fight or flee to fight another day. Thats my 2 cents on it.
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Re: Anyone still here?

Postby DJPrepper » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:27 pm

No doubt there are examples where the answer would be an easy yes, but it could also be turned into a way of coercing people to leave when perhaps there is - objectively - little reason to do so.
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