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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby helicopilot » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:38 am

I've finally opened my seed packets I had ordered from Vesey's to start my seedlings indoor.

This is my first time ordering seeds from a professional place as opposed to buying them from displays at chain stores. I have to say I was quite surprised by the small amount of seeds in each packets.

For example, I've paid $5.95 for my "Big Brady" tomatoes and the packet contained only 14 seeds!
My packet of organic lunchbox peppers at $7.25 also contained only 14 seeds.

Is that the right amount for the price? I get they supposedly sell better quality and that they are organic and all, but those prices are at least double that of the chain stores and their packs usually contain a couple dozen seeds. I was super thrilled receiving my box of seeds, but now I feel somewhat cheated. Maybe I'll be happier when I get bushelfulls of tomatoes and peppers, but for now, I almost regret my purchase.

Is this the norm with seed catalog places? I'm I over-reacting or over-thinking this?
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby farmgal » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:20 am

Hi Helicopilot

Yes and no..

Yes, you will certainly find that the store packages that are selling the basic's tend to put more seeds per package, but when ordering online from the places I do (not sure about Versey's as I have not used them) but its standard, they will tell you weight or seed count per package. So while I can understand the huh.. now you will know that you will need to look at the counts per item, not just for figuring out row planting but to decide if its worth the cost to you.

and the No, is because it is normal, and because typically when you are buying seeds for organic and Heritage, your plan is to grow them out and then seed save from them.. most of the companies know this, that a good percent of the buyers will also be seed savers and they tend to increase the price on them and reduce the seed count on them to try and give us less genetic starting material.

So if you like what you grow.. save seed and then they will give you bushelfulls and you will not need to buy at those prices again :)

Ps, never waste your money on organic seeds, just get heritage open and grow them organic, it will save you money in the long run and the plants are the same, its just how the parent plant in the last gen was treated or the soil treated.. it does not cross over to the seed that is saved.

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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby helicopilot » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:00 am

Thanks for the words of wisdom FarmGal! Another "to-do" for next year : learn to save seeds.
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby Liezurly » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:13 pm

Question about seeds. I've heard that plants are being altered so that once grown the seeds produced in the batch will not regrow new batches. A sensible money ploy for "them" i'm sure, but is there truth in it? And if at the moment it is not true, then could it become true down the road? I guess at this point in time if seeds can still be harvested and planted succesfully would it be wise to collect them while they are still able to reproduce? Then there would be the matter of being able to store the seeds so they don't go bad. Plant some, store some?
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby farmgal » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:42 pm

Hello Liezurly

There is a lot of small seed saving companies and local farmers-gardeners.. Google Seedy Saturday and it will pull up local seed events planned across Canada and if you want a good grasp on a lot of the Canadian smaller seed growers, the Small Farm Canada seed list month is outstanding in sharing them from coast to coast.

On facebook in every area are local seed and garden groups and local plantcyle groups that gift splits, seeds and more.. in Ottawa there is also the travel seed box's, and a number of library programs that loan you seed in the spring to plant and that share how you save seed an you put a portion of it back to the seed library in the fall so that it grows more for the next years folks that borrow and so forth.

For one of the best seed saving books, I recommend seed to seed which I know is locally available in the Ottawa library system, as others have talked about borrowing it :)

Now more to the point about your question.. there are many companies that sell seed that is some form of a Hybred seed, that means that this generation will produce to a standard, bigger yields or better rust protection or Z, W, K reason's why its better then its two parent types. The seed is not sterile but it is hybred, which means that the next generation is unstable in how it produces.. some of the plants will be more like the two parent plans, some will be more like the hybred seed sold and some will be a mix of them..

Hope that helps a bit.. Farmgal, who has now be contracted to raise heritage seed for a few years (including extra training on selection and harvest etc) for a seed company.. that then sells it Canada wide from their site, and who is involved in a number of land race breeding programs for different plants in the Ottawa valley.
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby thecrownsown » Fri May 05, 2017 1:32 pm

Liezurly wrote:Question about seeds. I've heard that plants are being altered so that once grown the seeds produced in the batch will not regrow new batches. A sensible money ploy for "them" i'm sure, but is there truth in it? And if at the moment it is not true, then could it become true down the road? I guess at this point in time if seeds can still be harvested and planted succesfully would it be wise to collect them while they are still able to reproduce? Then there would be the matter of being able to store the seeds so they don't go bad. Plant some, store some?



The "terminator" seeds your describing were tested out by some of the GMO companies years ago. The most famous being Monsanto. They stopped the project after a couple of years and to my knowledge (I stand to be corrected if someone else out there is trying to reopen this market) isnt done anymore and hasn't been done for years. There were a number of factors involved in why it was tried and why its no longer done...at least by Monsanto. I can explain if you want but I dont want this to deteriorate into a pro vs. anti GMO debate.... ;)

I like Farmgal's response...its evident she will forget more than I'll ever know about farming and agriculture. Always enjoy her posts on this topic. Just my two cents if your looking at some of the hybrids (GMO or not..) Before you get tempted into mixes of Watermelons and Cucumbers, etc....ask around how they turn out. A lot of those hybrids which sound delicious or look amazing end up actually sacrificing flavour and/or quality. Not all..but enough. I'd rather eat a real cucumber then some of the hybrids out there...my two cents...
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby helicopilot » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:37 am

As I mentioned, this is my first time buying "quality" grade seeds from a seed vendor. I have to say, I'm somewhat disappointed with my experience.

After noticing how few seeds were in each packets, I went to the local hardware store and picked up more of the usual run of the mill kind (Burpees and likes). Planted side-by-side, and all things equal, the cheap seeds actually did way better. Some of Veseys' seeds didn't even sprout.

The shrubs I ordered came in very tiny (think a couple of inches long) and the Saskatoons seem to have died (or are on life support!). For the price, I frankly expected better. Matter of factly, the county arranged a tree/shrub sale and for about 1/10th of the price, the Saskatoon bushes I got from the county are doing so much better.

Is this a normal experience for a rookie?
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby peppercorn » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:36 am

Cant say if its normal, as I haven't ordered seeds. I largely save my own when I can or I buy from Pevey Mart. I have found they have the best selection and I can feel how many are in a pack! I have also noticed expensive seeds does not mean better plants or better growth.
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby RachelM » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:35 pm

That does seem a little pricey to me. What I like about the websites I've been checking out is that there's an estimate either per weight or package. For example, Dam Seeds Blue Lake Green Beans say they are 1200-1500 seeds per lb, as well as each packet giving the average, so their small packet states there is 125-150 seeds. The tomato seed I bought was $3.95, and has between 12 to 15 seeds.
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Re: Plan on Gardening? Here's A List Of Seed Companies That Will Send You Catalogues

Postby helicopilot » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:36 am

Well, I'm utterly disappointed with my purchases.

Shrubs have died when my others non fancy kind are doing well.

Potato plants from my old potatoes are doing better than the seeds one I got.

Beet plants I got from Veseys are covered with those pesky "purple dots" whereas my Walmart-seeds beets are fine (GMO???).

My pepper plants started from Vesey seeds are still funny little things that give me no hopes of ever producing anything.

Parsnips and corn seem to be doing well. So far I seem to be having success with my peas and beans.

Brocoli and cauliflower seeds gave me about 50% germination, I'll see how they turn out at maturity.

My marigold from Vesey are about 18" tall but won't flower.

The sunflowers are about 30-40% germination/survival. About the same with my red onion seeds.

While I can chuck some of this to my overall inexperience, I find it weird that the cheap seeds are doing better than the premium ones.
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