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Postby peppercorn » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:49 pm

I have been hearing on the radio lots of complaining from those in Ontario about their power bill. I always like to see things first hand, could one of you post a picture of your power bill from last month, cross out your name of course...im just trying to get a understanding of what a typical bill is?
What kind of charges are on it? I have heard people on the radio saying they have to choose between paying the power or paying the mortgage. I would like to see a bill.
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Postby Nagol » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:01 pm

The electricity charges are VERY dependent on location here.
I can give you my charges, keep in mind I have a quite modest home, 2 adults and 1 child. I heat with wood and have hot water tank, stove and well pump on 220v, all lights are led, 1 tv and no computer. Very low consumption in general.

Average daily consumption
Nov-dec On peak. Mid peak. Off peak
10kwh. 7kwh. 20kwh. $462.11
We are charged a variable delivery charge, regulatory charge, debt retirement charges(currently exempt) and hst


My last bill was quite small 139$ in electricity used, 134$ in additional charges.

I fear opening my bill as I never know what it's going to be. Could be 250$ or 650$. I never know and have no idea why it swings so much as my consumption is pretty stable.
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Postby farmgal » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:24 pm

I am sorry, I am not putting a copy of my bill for you, but I will give you a basic answer..

I run a small farm, we are per the power companies chart, in the best 10% savers for my area, my rural rating etc

I have farm power needs in terms of other buildings besides the house, I run outside water trough heaters, and I run meat freezers, and veggies freezers, and I have heat lamps and or heated hard plastic beds for lambs, goat kids and fowl babies, and I run lights and heat lamps for the adult laying birds. Now add in all my starting my seedlings lighting and I will have my incubators running steady for the next four months.

On top of that, I run a full size house with all the extra things that come with a true homestead, that means that I can a lot, I run the food dryers for weeks and months at a time, I do most of my laundry in cold or cool but not all, some has to be hot.. I do a lot of line drying but not all of it can be done that way. I do house laundry, farm laundry (I can do a load or more per birthing in towels alone, times that by 30 plus) and of course work laundry for hubby. I make all our meals at home pretty much so all cooking and baking an so forth.

We run a average bill of 300 in the summer months, with it easily moving up to 400 per month if I am canning darn near daily, and in the winter, we run 500 plus per month.. and I do my dead level best to use time of use savings whenever we can to reduce that cost.

We also replaced all our extra's not that many years ago.. we replaced fridge, stove, freezers, washer and dryer and did all the extra's to wrap pipes, hot water tanks and such to keep the use down.. We use fans, to move the air and cool things down in the summer, no AC

So this year, with all the things we have done, we have moved the hardest parts of winter months, Dec, Jan and Feb from our highest points of around 800 a month to 500ish per month. We are working on bring it down still but it is a big bill coming in monthly!

There are a number of things planned to continue to reduce our costs in this regards.
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Re: question about Power in Ontario

Postby farmgal » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:46 pm

Hubby asked that I come back and make I tell you that for power use itself that we only use and pay for between 50 to 150 spring, summer and fall and that it might run up to 150-180 in winter and that the rest of the bill is all the extra's.. They say that we "rural" and "farm" are the hardest hit, because on average, we can pay as much or more just for our delivery fee along as we would for the power used...
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Re: question about Power in Ontario

Postby scrounger » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:51 pm

Here is a quick look at my Dec 2016 and Feb 2017 bills. 2 adults smaller home. Gas heat and water.

303.38 kwh $64.39 Dec 2016
215.3000 kWh Off Peak
at $.08700
TX
18.73
41.6000 kWh Mid Peak
at $.13200
TX
5.49
46.4800 kWh On Peak
at $.18000
TX
8.37
Delivery
TX
22.12
Regulatory Charges
TX
2.13

457.97 kwh $83.89 Feb 2017
341.9700 kWh Off Peak at $.08700
TX 29.75
54.0000 kWh Mid Peak at $.13200
TX 7.13
62.0000 kWh On Peak at $.18000
TX 11.16
Delivery
TX 26.55
Regulatory Charges
TX 3.37
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Re: question about Power in Ontario

Postby peppercorn » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:06 pm

I haven't played the you show me yours and I will show you mine game in a while, everybody is so shy. Well I cant show you mine cause I don't have one but I do have electric bills left here from others who have stopped by to ask me questions about billing. Here is a typical one from last winter, a typical home, big size fridge, big full size upright freezer, electric stove used heavily TV, all the usual stuff, normal home.This is just the Electicity, gas is separate.

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It looks to me from what you all have said...we have roughly comparable type charges...the amounts used are reasonable but the made up charges are a thousand little cuts, something like half to 2/3rds of the bill....This bill is from last year I haven't seen a new bill from anyone for this year but I have seen a new gas bill from someone and there is a new carbon charge of 10.00 on it, so I expect the above bill would likely be 10.00 or more dollars higher now.

We don't have the on/off peak game going on here....yet....it looks like that's a significant cost on your bills....I expect it to come here soon.
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Re: question about Power in Ontario

Postby peppercorn » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:37 pm

farmgal wrote:
We run a average bill of 300 in the summer months, with it easily moving up to 400 per month if I am canning darn near daily, and in the winter, we run 500 plus per month.. and I do my dead level best to use time of use savings whenever we can to reduce that cost.



That is a killer....at best maybe 5000.00 or more per year :o , I would never stop swearing if I had such a bill...never I would be called that guy with touretts ....but then again....you do recover some of that in food production.
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Re: question about Power in Ontario

Postby scrounger » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:38 pm

We are getting the prov sales tax 8% removed from our hydro bill. But the lord giveth and the lord taketh away.

Although the government has warned homeowners to expect an extra $5 on natural gas bills, Enbridge, for example, says its carbon fee will be in the range of $6 to $7 a month, or $80 a year for the typical customer using 2,400 cubic metres of natural gas annually.

Gasoline companies can also charge motorists 4.3 cents per litre in carbon fees — just over $2 per tank — which will help fund programs aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions that cause climate change.
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Re: question about Power in Ontario

Postby farmgal » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:58 pm

Let see if I was able to get it small enough to post.. otherwise, I give.. so this is normally our worst month in cost over the year and I did a lot of canning and we had bad weather so everything hit the dryer.

Ah, I got it this for you.. so yes, we did swear a blue streak on it, and we are always working on ways to lower it.. having said that, yes, its for the whole farm, not just a house.. and yet, they swear that we are in the 10 percent of savers in my area.. so what in heavens name are they paying!
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Re: question about Power in Ontario

Postby peppercorn » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:08 am

Nagol wrote:The electricity charges are VERY dependent on location here.
I can give you my charges, keep in mind I have a quite modest home, 2 adults and 1 child. I heat with wood and have hot water tank, stove and well pump on 220v, all lights are led, 1 tv and no computer. Very low consumption in general.

Average daily consumption
Nov-dec On peak. Mid peak. Off peak
10kwh. 7kwh. 20kwh. $462.11
We are charged a variable delivery charge, regulatory charge, debt retirement charges(currently exempt) and hst


My last bill was quite small 139$ in electricity used, 134$ in additional charges.

I fear opening my bill as I never know what it's going to be. Could be 250$ or 650$. I never know and have no idea why it swings so much as my consumption is pretty stable.


Do I understand you correct? 37kwh a day? Thats high imho. If that tanks electric, and its heating for 3 people...showers every day, and laundry....I suspect that's near 7 to 9kwhs a day right there (a wag), a electric stove doing 3 meals a day, maybe some baking another 4 to maybe as much as 9kwhs a day if baking (another wag).....your bill at 462.11 would scare me
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