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Re: Town cuts water supply for non payment of taxes

Postby peppercorn » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:26 am

Did anyone read the comments? most all were saying good cut the bums off........like someone who has put money into owning a home is just trying to cheat the town. I had to do a lot more reading about the town..how assessments are done and such....looks like there is a lot more to the story...the population in the town has been falling with each census, its below 500 people now, homes don't sell yet assessments go up. I couldn't find the number of homes in the town but a reasonable guess would be if there is 500 people, lets guess 300 homes.The town has one credit union that is closing and when it does there will not be any banking services, and online banking may not be a option as the area has inadiquit bandwidth. Of that 100000, 30,000 of it is just in this year, and it looks like people started falling behind 3 years ago, and once you don't pay your taxes roughly a 20% charges is added as a penalty, followed by roughly another 10 percent penalty a few months after that so a good portion of the outstanding amount will be late penalty charges.
The town doesn't do its own assessments, rather its contracted out to a third party( Municipal assessment agency Inc.), who ofcourse charges . Guess who pays that? it becomes included in the property tax charge, this might explain why assesments keep going up in a town lossing its population. This is a town canabilizing its own population base.
This is a town circling the drain and this action wont help.......Creative thinking is required, and a drastic cutting of town services and the associated costs that go with them, or this is just going to get worse....

The calculation expressed as an equation is as follows:


amount to be raised
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total taxable assessment X 1,000 = Mil Rate

When you find defaults rising you have to reduce the amount to be raised .....or you are cannibalizing your population base and that doesn't even really work in the short term
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Re: Town cuts water supply for non payment of taxes

Postby peppercorn » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:30 am

In Alberta in many places if you rent a property from someone you cant put the water/sewer/garbage charges in your name. They have to stay in the name of the property owner so that becomes included in the rent you pay, and ofcourse because the homeowner cant be bothering to collect such a bill from someone each month he just estimates high, and includes this in the rent he charges. Towns were finding renters skipping out on water bills so now the homeowner is always liable for them.Not everywhere yet but increasingly so.
Utility companies are also finding ways to pass costs on to home owners who rent, They ofcourse take a deposit from the renter and hook up utilities, then if the renter gets behind they let the bill run up to the deposit value and then disconnect...this happens about the same time the renter skips...The property owner doesn't know this ofcourse until he finds his tenant gone and he goes to get the place ready to rent and needs the utilities hooked up, and finds out that they wont hook up unless a reconnect fee is paid, it is a new made up charge of a couple hundred dollars they apply to any rental property they have previously disconnected from.....
One reason why increasingly you see utilities are offered included in the rent, and another reason rents are so high.
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Re: Town cuts water supply for non payment of taxes

Postby Denob » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:23 pm

peppercorn wrote:Did anyone read the comments? most all were saying good cut the bums off........like someone who has put money into owning a home is just trying to cheat the town. I had to do a lot more reading about the town..how assessments are done and such....looks like there is a lot more to the story...the population in the town has been falling with each census, its below 500 people now, homes don't sell yet assessments go up. I couldn't find the number of homes in the town but a reasonable guess would be if there is 500 people, lets guess 300 homes.The town has one credit union that is closing and when it does there will not be any banking services, and online banking may not be a option as the area has inadiquit bandwidth. Of that 100000, 30,000 of it is just in this year, and it looks like people started falling behind 3 years ago, and once you don't pay your taxes roughly a 20% charges is added as a penalty, followed by roughly another 10 percent penalty a few months after that so a good portion of the outstanding amount will be late penalty charges.
The town doesn't do its own assessments, rather its contracted out to a third party( Municipal assessment agency Inc.), who ofcourse charges . Guess who pays that? it becomes included in the property tax charge, this might explain why assesments keep going up in a town lossing its population. This is a town canabilizing its own population base.
This is a town circling the drain and this action wont help.......Creative thinking is required, and a drastic cutting of town services and the associated costs that go with them, or this is just going to get worse....

The calculation expressed as an equation is as follows:


amount to be raised
______________________
total taxable assessment X 1,000 = Mil Rate

When you find defaults rising you have to reduce the amount to be raised .....or you are cannibalizing your population base and that doesn't even really work in the short term

Yes, I posted this not to dis the local government, but to point out that tough times are still around. I agree that this town is dying...has been for a while.
They need to get a small industry set up there, and quick. Maybe offering some free municipally owned land and a tax break in exchange for a guarantee to carry X number of employees.
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Re: Town cuts water supply for non payment of taxes

Postby peppercorn » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:25 pm

Yes if you can get a industry to set up there....while they work on that they could instantly begin doing what this place did. offer free land to build your home, but it must be built independent of services (so no town infrastructure costs to incur either to build or over time), then don't gouge on the taxes, have the zone, permitting and code enforcement free, freeing people to build what they can, with the skills they have.
It looks like it worked here...population is rising, tax base is going up, and some are starting businesses. The towns population is up 11% since 2005 when this was started




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Re: Town cuts water supply for non payment of taxes

Postby Goldie » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:41 pm

Says they have to cut back on 2016 water service upgrades to help
get the town off the boil water advisory it has been under for years.
Doesn't sound like this town is going to make it.

Well perhaps the neighbor will help them with a garden hose
for 10 minutes a day to flush toilets and stock up on pails of water.

Hopefully they filled up on their own water storage before they were cut off.
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