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borris
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Bug in Bug out

Postby borris » Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:56 am

Hi All
I love this web site so informative and good friendly people
I have a question for all you Bug in Bug out experts

Let say I have got 1 year supplies of food and water and fortified my home to protect myself and my family
I have done the right things, but the experts say I should have a Bug out location and it to must have a year supplies of food an water and must be fortified also
Also Bug Out place must be with in a tank of petrol from your main Bug in place.
There is no way to remove 1 years water and food from the bug in places to the bug out place ( unless you have a big truck) And you will not have that long if SHTF, so you are going to lose that supply as soon as you Bug out.
So why Bug out ??
It is a lose lose situation, because as soon as you leave the Bug in place you are open to attack, you are not going to make it to the Bug out place as road blocks, Police, military, Gangs, will control roads and take any thing you have they need, food, water, weapons, your transport.
So I have been prepping and fortifying to Bug In and stay put and keep what is mine, mine.
Have fun
Prepin
Borris
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby cernunnos5 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:36 pm

Preppers like to argue. This is a good thing and a bad thing. Constantly fighting is a pain but it does force us all to wrestle with our own plans and ask ourselves, once we get over our frustration...if our survival plan can produce "Actual Survival". The Bug in- Bug out argument is a prime example. After years on the subject, Ive come to believe it is a false dichotomy. I believe there is a third and more reasonable option. Its the option I have implemented in my own life. Strategic Relocation. If your location cant work for actual survival, find somewhere that will...and move there...and live there...and stay there. It takes YEARS of work setting a place up, getting to know people and fitting in, getting to know the resources and local systems. None of this can be done by bugging out there last minute. Nor is staying put a good idea when a location is clearly unlivable. And it all has to be someplace where you actually have some options of a job and a life.

Mel Tappan pointed this out way back in the 70s. His advice was- farmland attached to a town of 5-10 thousand people. This avoids big city chaos but still allows diversity of skill specialisation, a system of order, and a sizable army of people if the town comes under threat. (and something he didn't mention, the chance for their kids to date without having to marry their cousins and find their eyes alittle too close together after a few generations)

I wish my location had a few more of those options.
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby Perfesser » Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:56 pm

It's about assessing the threats in your area.
If you live where you could be forced out of your house by natural events like floods, fire or storms you need a practiced procedure to keep yourself safe. I devote very little time to this because the threats just aren't there for me.
We do have a BOL/cottage but if anything does go wrong here I'm not immediately dropping everything to bug out.

Many of us waste time on a fantasy.
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby endangeredspecies » Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:24 pm

my 2 cent

personaly i focus my suvival on mobility and i think everyone should have a plan B , rotten apple spoils the barrel
my problem whit bug in is there many reason that could make you quit ur forteresses like plague flooding fire bulgar invasion and much more . but what happen if you was at walt disney ressort whit kids wen the TEOTWAWKI happen and cant reach ur bug in spot ?
at home i have 6 month of food and that enough for me i dont plan to accumulate more , just enough to pass trough harsh winter and on my bug out location i got another 6 month , in between i dig a hole and put a sealed bucket whit 2 weeks of food " kind of pit stop if i had to walk all the way there" also i plan use me cedar canoe to travel and avoid road
if you really want bug in to death i suggest you to plit up ur food and goods in 2 stash minimum because fo you lose one you lose it all
regard
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby borris » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:45 pm

I live in Brisbane suburbs and have a bug out 500 KM away but if we have natural disaster and every thing shuts down, roads, rail, I can not get to bug out or stay at bug in (if it is destroyed) then I am the sheep we all try not to be
I can not walk far as I have cancer, the wife has Sciatica so we can not walk far mobility is now very hard, with out roads to move bug out is not a way to go
So you have the home full of food water and Eathquake hit home falls down what do you do then, area sealed off you can not drive out roads gone ??? how do you plan for this ?? we had floods 2011 we could not get out of our street for a week no power no water (we where fine) the nabours where not, we had 5 familys at our place as we had gas BBQ and food and water.
I just can not see a way to plan for our situation if we lose the house and can not get out of the area with road closers
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby Knuckle » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:04 am

This whole Bug In or Bug out concept likely seems sorta silly to me as it likely does to most who live in the country. Where would we go that's better than were we already are? Sure, if a flood occurs, you have to move temporarily, but we ain't going far for long...

It is easy to see the variety of answers you get regarding this topic is due to an individuals idea of immediate threat. Some talk flood while others consider another type of crisis. I foresee hard times coming due to failing economy. I don't see the doomsday aspect but do see considerable belt tightening as each individual gets hit in turn. This scenario still brings much higher crime and therefore any preparations are better than none.

But let's face it...many folks can't quit their jobs and just relocate tomorrow. They have bills to pay and a family to feed. I see this with all my grown kids while raising a family in the city. Seems I try to prepare somewhat just in case I might have to provide a Bug Out place for maybe even all of them someday. Many folks don't have the finances to do things big, but even just buying a few loads of good earth for a big garden is a start. Building an insulated shed or garage to store your junk neatly doesn't cost too much and if need be, could be converted into living quarters if something bad did cause family to turn to you for help. I don't consider storing up more than a few months of food much of a priority, but then I live where there's plenty of critters in the bush and fish in the lakes and few people to contend with over who gets them.

My point is I'm likely my kids only backup plan they have. Many can sense trouble is in our near future, but my kids included won't start preparing until the last minute. Why? Because they grew up in the city and that's what most city folk do. They can't imagine a time when things may not run as smooth as they do now. Those of you who have started at least have an edge over those who haven't. No one can prepare for everything, but at least you can improve the odds! I try to get them to at least stock up enough fuel to get their butts here without help. As unlikely as it seems, they can at least take that much precaution.

I think many will likely have to opt for country life again in the not too distant future as instability forces such actions with job loss and hyperinflation. Those who do so beforehand will be far better of than those who do later in a failing economy. And if things do stabilize, your still offering your family a more relaxing lifestyle than fighting traffic and breathing smog anyways!
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby Goldie » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:03 am

cernunnos5 wrote:... I believe there is a third and more reasonable option. Its the option I have implemented in my own life. Strategic Relocation. If your location cant work for actual survival, find somewhere that will...and move there...and live there...and stay there. It takes YEARS of work setting a place up, getting to know people and fitting in, getting to know the resources and local systems. None of this can be done by bugging out there last minute. Nor is staying put a good idea when a location is clearly unlivable. And it all has to be someplace where you actually have some options of a job and a life.



I think this is the best idea you have put forth on this topic . One other idea is that if your location can't work for actual survival ,
are there things you can do to make it survivable ?
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borris
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby borris » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:07 am

Hi All
Ok so I and now Bugging IN (as long as the house stands) how can I get the house as secure as posable on low funds
I have a High set or elevated house 1880 timber miners cottage,??
Say we have economic collaps and gangs take over the streets ???
We have no firearms as the government has taken all of them off the law abiding people
How do I prep to protect ??
Thanks for the what if help
Test your self and others and lets see what happens
Borris
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby Knuckle » Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:36 am

borris wrote:Hi All
Ok so I and now Bugging IN (as long as the house stands) how can I get the house as secure as possible on low funds
I have a High set or elevated house 1880 timber miners cottage,??
Say we have economic collaps and gangs take over the streets ???
We have no firearms as the government has taken all of them off the law abiding people
How do I prep to protect ??
Thanks for the what if help
Test your self and others and lets see what happens
Borris


Once again, you can't prep for everything. You don't even have to make your house like fort Knox, just more secure than your neighbours is :D
Gangs might take over the streets in cities... but the country is more likely that folks will be passing through but still taking what they find. It's hard to take all guns away...yet there are too many things happening to believe that you wouldn't have seen some of this evolving first.

If times were getting that bad, I'd likely have traps around to take the fun out of those who were intent on causing harm. If your doing the security aspect, you'd have cleared any hiding spots for at least 60 around your house to see them coming. Motions lights and a good dog or 2 are great warning systems when their within this range. Earlier warnings might include mounting trip lines with 12 gauge salt rock loads in pipe rigs at knee to butt height would provide a non-lethal lesson and your wake up alarm in one. Imagination is a wonderful tool without having to commit to killing as your 1st option....but were not there yet anyways, so relax!
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Re: Bug in Bug out

Postby borris » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:43 pm

Thanks every one some really good replys and ways to go if you think about it
BUG IN it is for me then boy I have a lot of work to do to get the home, street, community ready for the SHTF
Thanks
Borris
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