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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby Knuckle » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:29 pm

Amen Antsy.....!

I got the same impression from the video. The speaker is boring, but knowledgeable. He stayed factual in his presentation and used graphs a lot to better get the message across. I also appreciate when so one does his homework so I don't feel I have to...We as a people have have it easy for so long that we don't look for the bumps in the road ahead. Yes, that includes all you capitalists :o :D (since I have been self employed for much of 25 years, I thought I was one too until someone called me a Socialist)!

"Power Corrupts"! Those once seated in a position of power, seem to forget that we elected(and expected) them to fix those things we are too busy to see. Not screw it up worse! Folks allowed them to take extra money from us for CCP so we will not have to worry about security in our old age. We hear tidbits now and then which show were likely paying into a well that's going dry. We each might get a sip, but its won't quench our thirst for long! Every tax increase promised to fix the well inevitably seems to only suggest we must still dig deeper...
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby Antsy » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:57 am

Knuckles,

RE: The glass.

The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby Knuckle » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:31 am

Antsy wrote:Knuckles,

RE: The glass.

The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Antsy

:lol: :lol: I figured it needed improvement to show how the other two wouldn't have had an issue in the first place, had the glass been full! :ugeek:
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby Singlecell » Thu May 01, 2014 9:49 pm

I wish crownsown would stick around these threads. Anytime someone mentions that they're a leftist he disappears the hell out. His opinion is important whether he thinks we don't think that or not. Everyone's opinion is important, and what more, it's important to learn how to work together with people who think differently from you. Statistics must be respected on both sides.

It doesn't matter if our economies doing well compared to the USA or whatever, they're our largest trading partner, BY FAR compared to everyone else. If they crumble, we will inevitably fall after them. The west has been suffering greatly ever since we globalized our economy, involving the Asia's. Their success is attributed by our weakening.

We need to become more independent or at least facilitate the means to separate our dependencies from hurting us. I see a lot of articles in the news, ripping into Ontario these days, how we're "lagging behind". The fall of Ontario can be attributed to may things, but mostly globalization, as it was once a manufacturing powerhouse.
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby Antsy » Thu May 01, 2014 10:16 pm

Singlecell wrote:I wish crownsown would stick around these threads. Anytime someone mentions that they're a leftist he disappears the hell out. His opinion is important whether he thinks we don't think that or not. Everyone's opinion is important, and what more, it's important to learn how to work together with people who think differently from you. Statistics must be respected on both sides.

It doesn't matter if our economies doing well compared to the USA or whatever, they're our largest trading partner, BY FAR compared to everyone else. If they crumble, we will inevitably fall after them. The west has been suffering greatly ever since we globalized our economy, involving the Asia's. Their success is attributed by our weakening.

We need to become more independent or at least facilitate the means to separate our dependencies from hurting us. I see a lot of articles in the news, ripping into Ontario these days, how we're "lagging behind". The fall of Ontario can be attributed to may things, but mostly globalization, as it was once a manufacturing powerhouse.


I'm happy to hear Crownsown's opinion as well. I don't know if Knuckles quite "outed himself" as a socialist. I took his posts to read that he is self employed (although he may or may not have employees) and that usually pushes someone at least to centrist. Maybe I came off as socialist? Perhaps in Alberta and Texas.

I hear what you're saying about the need for increased independence for our markets. As an Albertan, I just don't see it happening so long as the environmental lobby drives the national conversation according to its own agenda. I'm not about to deny climate science here; just calling out the lobby for completely ignoring issues like coal burning power plants and the environmental consequences of hydroelectric power generation in favor of flogging the oil and natural gas industry in the west of this country. Come to think of it, aren't these lobby groups based in central / eastern Canada and the US? It's a coincidence. It does, however, remind me of the allegory of the man who cut off his nose to spite his face.
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby Knuckle » Fri May 02, 2014 12:00 am

Someone called?? :D Yes, I have been self employed for 24 years...but maybe I did it just so I couldn't be tagged a Socialist :D Yet It seems to me that we are becoming more a Socialist society these days while Russia is becoming a truer democracy! Our government now imposes legislation removing many of our basic rights, but only to protect us! No privacy anymore because them pesky terrorists(which nobody ever sees) may pounce! We follow our southern neighbour into lands where we are not welcome while brandishing weapons and saying were occupying in the name of peace... to install dictators in place of once elected officials with the promise of elections once you get used to our pressure tactics! :oops:

We have so many resources in Canada and yet were selling them off without proper approval of the people. We are always told these of trade deals without seeing the money is changing in the hands of the rich only. Can you imagine how much better off we'd be if we only allowed sale of our assets to other Canadians? Since folks tend not to "crap where they eat", we'd likely treat our resources with better care be a stronger country for it. It's big corporations who make generous political donations to push through laws that only suit them. As a police officer, we couldn't even accept a free coffee in case it was considered a bribe, yet we allow obvious bribes to destroy our economy while being told how democratic a system we live in.....
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby villager » Fri May 02, 2014 1:03 am

Knuckle wrote:
Antsy wrote:Knuckles,

RE: The glass.

The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Antsy

:lol: :lol: I figured it needed improvement to show how the other two wouldn't have had an issue in the first place, had the glass been full! :ugeek:


Uh, there's some water in the glass.
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby cernunnos5 » Fri May 02, 2014 5:43 am

Yes, orange is the new black. Socialist is the new Jew. Prepping has got some baggage that leads back to its early kkk and birch society days. We are not that any more...but the template remains.(thus prepping and warrior fetishism somehow being synonymous) I believe it can be changed and so I endure. I generally don't trust any fool who has chosen to take an oath... but I try not to be too judgmental about it though. I was just at a dinner party with a number of European immigrants. any immigrant is not joining...but leaving some place...so they understand. next month I will be in Europe and my only personal destination will be to visit the Wittenburg Door. Not interested in the Protestant part,,, but the Protest..ant part of protestant. Following ones conscience is a radical act. Just late night beer ramblings
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby Knuckle » Mon May 05, 2014 1:23 am

villager wrote:
Knuckle wrote:
Antsy wrote:Knuckles,

RE: The glass.

The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Antsy

:lol: :lol: I figured it needed improvement to show how the other two wouldn't have had an issue in the first place, had the glass been full! :ugeek:


Uh, there's some water in the glass.


"sigh"!!

If the glass were smaller with the same contents, it would then be full and neither of the others would have anything to comment on... :roll: :o :? thus, I would surmise they might be somewhat happier...hmmm, a happy pessimist ...an unlikely occurrence !
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Re: Canada's Economy vs them Others

Postby thecrownsown » Tue May 06, 2014 1:49 pm

Antsy wrote:
Singlecell wrote:I wish crownsown would stick around these threads. Anytime someone mentions that they're a leftist he disappears the hell out. His opinion is important whether he thinks we don't think that or not. Everyone's opinion is important, and what more, it's important to learn how to work together with people who think differently from you. Statistics must be respected on both sides.

It doesn't matter if our economies doing well compared to the USA or whatever, they're our largest trading partner, BY FAR compared to everyone else. If they crumble, we will inevitably fall after them. The west has been suffering greatly ever since we globalized our economy, involving the Asia's. Their success is attributed by our weakening.

We need to become more independent or at least facilitate the means to separate our dependencies from hurting us. I see a lot of articles in the news, ripping into Ontario these days, how we're "lagging behind". The fall of Ontario can be attributed to may things, but mostly globalization, as it was once a manufacturing powerhouse.


I'm happy to hear Crownsown's opinion as well. I don't know if Knuckles quite "outed himself" as a socialist. I took his posts to read that he is self employed (although he may or may not have employees) and that usually pushes someone at least to centrist. Maybe I came off as socialist? Perhaps in Alberta and Texas.

I hear what you're saying about the need for increased independence for our markets. As an Albertan, I just don't see it happening so long as the environmental lobby drives the national conversation according to its own agenda. I'm not about to deny climate science here; just calling out the lobby for completely ignoring issues like coal burning power plants and the environmental consequences of hydroelectric power generation in favor of flogging the oil and natural gas industry in the west of this country. Come to think of it, aren't these lobby groups based in central / eastern Canada and the US? It's a coincidence. It does, however, remind me of the allegory of the man who cut off his nose to spite his face.



Gentlemen,

I apologize for not getting more involved. Your right I jump in then skirt off. Unfortunately due to work I get a few moments to browse the forum then have to leave. I don't often have time right now to properly response. Rest assured I will when I get a chance. This is not the only thread I need to respond to....Just before I jump off yet again, you are correct in your assessment of Canada's economic dependance on the US in my opinion. 54 cents on every dollar is dependent on the American Economy. This is slowly decreasing as Canada signs more deals with emerging economies in Latin America, China, etc. This has been going on for years, and if there is a criticism of it..its not happening fast enough...its taking decades.

Where I disagree with you in Ontario... is that we are lagging behind... because we refuse to move ahead. Our current governement is trying to prop up industries we can no longer be competitive in like manufacturing. What is truly offensive about this is that the tax payer..whether personal or corporate is forced to subsidize these businesses (auto for example). Add to this a huge government, etc. and when your paying over 1/3 of your income in taxes there is a point when whether a corporation or individual has to say enough is enough.

There is a balance...tax more, companies leave to greener pastures. that means jobs, etc. leave with them. Tax less, it creates an environment where businesses want to set up. Tax to little, and the basic services government was initially meant to provide start to suffer. Regulation and oversight....The days of making $40/hour to work on an assembly line is going. Some say its already gone. The point being is that not moving with an economy...trying to tell it how to work as opposed to working within it is a recipe for failure. Always. As much as we would like those $40/hour semi skilled jobs on an assembly line to be there forever, technology, economies change. We either change with it....or else...
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