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Discussions regarding Peak Oil and Energy Shortages
eltoro
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Re: It's here....

Postby eltoro » Tue May 15, 2012 9:15 am

That there is even debate over this is simply ridiculous.
Fact - American oil discoveries peaked in the 1930's
Fact - American oil production peaked in the 1970's
Fact - Global oil discoveries peaked in the 1960's
These are facts and you cannot disagree, dispute or debate them.
If you you think we can can achieve infinite growth on a finite planet you are either insane or lack basic mathematical understanding.
The only reason the planet can currently sustain 7 billion people is because of finite fossil fuels. That is about to change.
The German military has done reports. The US military has. So has the IMF. The head of the IEA has confirmed oil supply is about to become constricted.
Richard Branson and 20 other leading UK business people have commissioned 2 reports on peak oil. All these reports are public.
Peak oil is a real scary subject and many people just can't handle it.
But if you refuse to acknowledge peak oil, here is a list of people much smarter than you, some of whom have been researching this stuff longer than most of us have been alive.
Richard Heinberg
Prof Al Bartlett
Dr Robert Hirsch
Dr Colin Campbell
Chris Martenson
Jeremy Leggett
William R Catton
Dennis Meadows
Jared Diamond
And there are many, many others.
This debate shouldn't even be taking place. The exponential growth we've experienced for the last couple of hundred years thanks to fossil fuel energy is ending right now. It's happening as we speak. Take a look at out the window.
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eltoro
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Re: It's here....

Postby eltoro » Tue May 15, 2012 9:20 am

And just one more thing while we are on the subject. If you don't understand EROIE or even know what it is, then this isn't a discussion for you.
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amf
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Re: It's here....

Postby amf » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:43 am

Well, I had to google your acronym, eltoro, so perhaps I'm not allowed in the discussion.

But here's my two cents anyway: you're completely right on all accounts. It seems most estimates place peak oil around 2010 or 2012 give or take a few years. But even if we still had tons of undiscovered oil, it doesn't matter. Demand is going up. Supply is going down. The shit is going to get real. But no one I broach the subject with in real life seems to agree. I just hope that I'm totally totally wrong and they're totally right. I've had a great 30 years so far and the next 30 could be not too bad, but I've got little kids and their future is what frightens me.
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amf
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Re: It's here....

Postby amf » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:47 am

Also, I wish Alberta would stop selling our natural resources like oil and water at such a fast rate to the US and now China. Let's all slow down.
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all-is-sun
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Re: It's here....

Postby all-is-sun » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:59 pm

eltoro wrote:And just one more thing while we are on the subject. If you don't understand EROIE or even know what it is, then this isn't a discussion for you.


Just to correct the acronym, as it is a very important concept: it is EROEI.

Energy Returne(d) On Energy Invested ;)
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