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Re: an angry Russia put 150,000 troops on high alert

Postby prom » Sat May 31, 2014 6:44 am

Knuckle wrote:I will again use this thread to further explain prom's question in the Ukraine update thread.
He asked about this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrG_UZibwbU and where is the proof that the Ukraine people are fascists.

The whole video shows how powerful this fascist organization is in the Ukraine. I too was unaware that it was so strong! I wish to point out specific tricks that they use to show unity and to find targets to focus an attack on.

- at time 22:30, they show the people jumping. Those who do not jump are called Muskels (Russians). Imagine that if you are seen not jumping, how much attention would be immediately focused upon you. So you jump too, but only out of fear. In this way, others now jump too and you aided in giving their organization further strength.

- at time 18:22, a spokesman shows their movements racist view. Note how many look down or away in shame, yet they immediately yell their slogan on que. The Nazi's used slogans, salutes, martyr's, etc., and mixed them in with whatever action was being taken as a way of uniting people. You accept their views because they were assisting you at the time with a cause you believed in... and human nature allows us to unite against a common enemy... the Russians.

I'm betting that if you asked most Ukrainian's in the west what those in east Ukraine did to make them hate them so much, they'd only recite history given to them by their parents. The divide seems to be something which remains from Lenin's time. So the question is....are we responsible for the sins of our father? Some might point out that we are since we are being punished for the sins of Adam and Eve according to the Bible. And this is how even tyrants proclaim their righteousness, by manipulating things to suit their needs.

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All I see is a march of soccer (football in europe) fans. If you would have lived in that part of the world, like I did, you would have known what kind of people join those groups. To say that the Ukrainians are fascist based on videos like that is like saying that Canadians are a idiotic, violent lowlifers based on watching youtube videos on the Vancouver hockey fans riots. Not very nice.

Here, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBF_PK03Kk
see the resemblance with the ukrainian fans? It's what this kind of people like to do and in Ukraine they actually had a "patriotic" reason to do it (or so they thought) and not just for fun.
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Re: an angry Russia put 150,000 troops on high alert

Postby Knuckle » Sat May 31, 2014 5:11 pm

prom wrote:
All I see is a march of soccer (football in europe) fans. If you would have lived in that part of the world, like I did, you would have known what kind of people join those groups. To say that the Ukrainians are fascist based on videos like that is like saying that Canadians are a idiotic, violent lowlifers based on watching youtube videos on the Vancouver hockey fans riots. Not very nice.

Here, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBF_PK03Kk
see the resemblance with the ukrainian fans? It's what this kind of people like to do and in Ukraine they actually had a "patriotic" reason to do it (or so they thought) and not just for fun.


Now you are just focusing on the jumping in the stands and ignoring the rest of my comment as you see a point to argue. The people rioting in Russia are united as their target enemy is their government for it's inaction against the blacks (showing racism is alive and well in Russia too).

The point I presented was "when in Rome do as the Romans do" so the crowd doesn't turn it's anger on you. I tried to get the reader to imagine the danger of not participating in that given action. Yet participating has it's costs too as others will then have to follow or become the target. It takes courage to stand up and say no to those who wish to oppress the many!

I appreciate the fact that you at least challenge my opinion and state it so directly. I view that as an awakening of the spirit to confront your enemy head on. I hope too, that you try to consider the points I present, if only as a means to better understand your adversary. For this may lead to a better understanding as to what is really occurring as each question inevitably always leads to more questions as you search for the real truth!
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Re: an angry Russia put 150,000 troops on high alert

Postby Knuckle » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:42 pm

I found this political debate on Ukraine called "The end to the Beginning".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bhtb21BYy0

They mention that much of Europe is now getting news that America is blocked from completely. Is censorship getting that bad here in North America that it is now open debate in other countries?

Most of them seem to agree that the US had played a better hand then Russia and Russia loses face for not acting in defense of East Ukraine. A good debate which mentions the overall affects that certain events had upon Europe and gives some suggestions as to maybe what might be a final outcome.
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Re: an angry Russia put 150,000 troops on high alert

Postby prom » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:26 am

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-l ... fies/#3561

check out :
16:10 (GMT) post, US Releases Satellite Evidence of Shelling From Russia and
13:48 (GMT) , Large Convoy of Russian Armour, Artillery and SAMs Filmed in Eastern Ukraine
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Re: an angry Russia put 150,000 troops on high alert

Postby Knuckle » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:00 pm

prom wrote:http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-160-the-battle-for-the-donbass-intensifies/#3561

check out :
16:10 (GMT) post, US Releases Satellite Evidence of Shelling From Russia and
13:48 (GMT) , Large Convoy of Russian Armour, Artillery and SAMs Filmed in Eastern Ukraine


I have been trying to decipher how this could be considered viable evidence. The detail is so bad that all there is to go on is their suggestion. Why didn't they blow up the area of interest to show this proof properly? Why don't they show the collateral damage to the region as further proof of this claim? This kind of shelling doesn't involve any kind of accuracy and therefore would be deemed ineffectual as a strategy from the Russian standpoint. Either they'd have to fire heat signature missiles (which I don't think they have for artillery equipment) which fire otherwise from the shorter range tank platforms.

I even tried to follow their triangulation techniques for discerning location of these shellings from their included link for verification http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-l ... fies/#3561 The 2 shots of the same location doesn't coincide with the data shown of firing in the videos that I can see. Their formula for triangulation ultimately relies on guesswork and the rest is only smoke and mirrors. Check it out!
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Re: an angry Russia put 150,000 troops on high alert

Postby Knuckle » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:44 am

Figured this post is the best to submit this battle in easy Ukraine as the west is even now firing directly at the border crossing into Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDDkBrkkpI8
Seems they are really trying hard to provoke Russia into a battle to go so far. Their acting like some wimpy kid in school who now has backing from some big thug friends and so is strutting his stuff. I'm just curious if Ukraine is doing this alone or if others are prodding from the bleachers.


Russian food supplies are now headed for a supposed Pro-Russian held border crossing. Likely it was the one shown above. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXSavNR7y7Y This article has obvious west influence as it states that west Ukraine is going to provide aid themselves to those in the east...maybe it's their way of apologizing for all the killing and bombing they've been doing for the last few months :oops: ...or just a pathetic scheme to make other countries think they'll now play nice! :roll:

74 dead in Donetsk after 3 days shelling. Seems they keep hitting civilians but missing rebels...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNmWvBme6Ts
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