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Ukraine: Daily Update

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Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Sat May 17, 2014 9:22 pm

May 17

As I stated in other threads, I like the news that shows evidence of it's statements. To just have a reporter showing some film running on a screen behind them means that you are being delivered a prepared opinion. To have a reporter standing at the scene allows the viewer to better determine if what the reporter states is a decent interpretation of the event occurring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WzxjM2QbMI

The above link shows an opinion as to why Ukraine may be in such turmoil. It shows a lot of images and links a bunch of details together with a quick comment from someone who appears "in the know". It is plausible but not fact. It makes more sense and creates justification where we had little before. It is far more believable than what our American news shows and that always bothers me...why is their news easier to swallow these days? I would rather see strong evidence we were just in our actions but we don't seem show this type of news .

Do you note the shot of likely thousands of the protestors? They are carrying pro Russian flags and that is real evidence. Then they tie it in with a logical explanation as to the motivation behind the EU actions and add in a bunch of damning little details to win the round.

This next one is one from the EU side. Note that it only shows their superiority in weaponry. Almost all I see is like this. They don't show the backing of the people unless they are attacking innocent persons. I have yet to see violence being perpetrated by the pro Russians. The EU state that pro Russians are committing atrocities daily, yet there is never any footage showing this to be true....have you noticed this too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syuhp8fJW24

The above shows they are definitely wanting to battle over Sloviansk and armed to the teeth.


This next one shows that the EU is trying to take over a large nuclear power plant and fails. Then the reporter shows riots in the streets by protestors of the EU again. This is real evidence again as you can see the EU flag during the action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMAWLD5R9W0
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Sun May 18, 2014 4:28 pm

May 18

Peaceful protest in Italy against US https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQJp8JWHIeM

The only conflict appears to be near the Russian border https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2xJ33rdFCU
the reporter states that this tension may limit the participation of people voting if tensions are higher here (this is personal conjecture)

Some news from within Kiev doesn't show much faith in the EU either https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvuhEtV0g8c

Heres an article saying US isn't doing enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfv_hed6_yg (note: that they state US has helped somewhat).
They also accused Russia of backing the Separatists yet we haven't seen any violence or retaliation to date from them

This is a CNN article showing scenes but not mentioning that the 80 killed were pro Russian only https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACVMi8STcZg

Another EU video showing they captured a TV tower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zINFVwR8BTA

This shows EU setting up in a town to defend against attack from Putin(they say) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73B9Tvn5wo

Proof of current US deals underway and likely real cause as to this conflict https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMzYD2Y2RG8

TIMEOUT

Now I'm betting that Russia likely suspected all along that there were gas reserves in the Ukraine and yet never offered to help the Ukrainian people to become independent by tapping into them. In this way, Russia was easily painted by the US as the enemy to start all this conflict in the first place. Greed is the motivating factor(as usual) for both sides with the Ukrainian people caught in the middle....Sound familiar? You just have to look at all the other conflicts which are perpetrated in the name of freedom while the rich harvest the resources.

It was not very neighbourly of Russia to capitalize on the Ukraine but alot more justified versus the US inciting a government takeover. Why did the US (and allies) instantly back this takeover but would not support a free election? Not very democratic of us is it? This explains why the other countries of the EU are backing the US in this endevour. They EU won't have to rely on Russian Gas imports when they can get it from the Ukraine cheaper due to freeing them of Russian control.

What wasn't likely fully considered was the extent of social ties that bind Ukraine to Russia. The coming election sponsored by the EU is sure to have corrupt influence and is likely to cause the war that the Ukrainian people have fought so hard to prevent. You can easily see that the majority of the people are siding Russia, yet the EU is not halting their plans. Likely many folks in Europe can see the potential for war and many are not enthused by having Nazi affiliation and so are siding with Russia too.
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby endangeredspecies » Sun May 18, 2014 9:57 pm

i gived my opinion bout this topic on another thread viewtopic.php?f=57&t=4791
but one detail people forgot its was going right on the election until foreign country mind about it , since american mind about this its going all wrong strange or just coincidence

kuckle mention " They also accused Russia of backing the Separatists yet we haven't seen any violence or retaliation to date from them "
USA finance and backing up Rebel in syria in lybia in iran, iraq and many more in the past over south america .... excuse me but Rebel its Rebel
if you read the defenition of rebel "Rebellion, uprising, or insurrection is a refusal of obedience or order"
finance rebel to me sound like criminal act .. what if russia and canada finance rebel in Usa ?
once again its a double standard
american can finance and sell weapon to criminal rebelious outside their territory and its sound normal to us . but to me rebel its still a rebel
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Mon May 19, 2014 2:13 am

Still May 18

Here is American news stating Putin is trying to remake Russia. That he is flexing his muscle and must be stopped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evGTRuLIq5E

Seems straight forward, yes? Why is there no mention at all is that the majority of Ukraine is waiting for Russia to finally intervene. We can see it in these other videos, the peaceful marches and protests. Why doesn't our news show any of these scenes? Where is the integrity of our news agencies today? Show us the marches and explain the will of the people with public interviews so we can feel justified in knowing that we are hearing truth and not lies.....

And what is this comparison of Putin to Hitler? Are we not the ones with Nazi affiliations and backing those who are spraying swastikas all over everything? Is this to maybe a ploy to confuse the public who are not aware and have them assume the Separatists are behind it? Most older European's are likely outraged by this fact and countries like Germany, Spain and now Italy are protesting against these fascists and the US's affiliation...but you have to watch You Tube to see this because our news seems slightly biased these days!
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Mon May 19, 2014 3:35 pm

May 19

So the (EU backed) Ukraine army is now attacking the pro-Russian positions once again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnEb34JMoQ
Note that there are regular people about before they put on their display of aggression for the camera. Likely the Separatists did light the tires on fire before they left. But they are now launching rockets from fighter jets on people who have yet to be shown doing any act of aggression.

Ukraine military is now attacking the Donetsk region who proclaimed independence only days ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a50SKtML6to
You can easily see that they are firing on unarmed civilians while large crowds of people are trying to protest their actions. You can see that thousands were involved in a peaceful protest at this time. The people are likely told not to fight back so as to show the rest of the world the unjust actions of the EU. I'm sure many of the people of west Ukraine are sympathizing with their eastern countrymen and will surely welcome Russia more eagerly, should they decide to intervene.

At 10:18 on the above link, RT news shows that NATO is holding war games near Russia's border. It further explains other forces held in reserve at this time. NATO is definitely surrounding Russia to show their resolve.

FOX news states Russian parliament sends forces to Cremea with Obama threatening action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTKpOiJ1bk
If war is what the EU wants, seems Russia is waking up!

- So why has the EU and NATO committed such aggressive actions with the elections they are backing coming up on May 25?
- Why not let everything settle down until these elections determine the will of the Ukrainian people?
- Do they not realize they paint themselves as the instigator again?
- Are they afraid they will lose these elections?

Obama's address to this Crisis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvpluWfb-0
Note that Obama did not state that Russia committed some aggressive act lately that he is responding to. This obviously means that he has committed the act of aggression and now he is imposing further sanctions due to Russia finally taking the bait. These further sanctions are likely plans they wished to proceed with and are likely another part of a bigger plan. They know that they are promoting gas shortages for much of Europe with these actions, so they must have a plan on how to ease this crisis they have created. If they don't, their own European allies will turn on them too.
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Mon May 19, 2014 6:17 pm

Still May 19

The city of Kiev,well within the western part of Ukraine, now has rioting in the streets says Wall Street Journal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KPzeNVE2iw
The EU is fast losing it's hold on the Ukraine. They have now imposed new laws which remove many of the rights of the people of Ukraine.

Note in the following video that those who are flying the Blue & Yellow flags are now preparing to do battle with the present Ukrainian government. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbY_2FDbOw I think they will be changing their flag very soon.....
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Mon May 19, 2014 11:50 pm

still May 19

To prevent things from escalating, Putin is pulling his forces back from the Ukraine border. http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=WG6LLWNX
Now what I do is try to imagine if this scenario were reversed.... Imagine an enemy massing along the Mexican border with the US military stationed to protect this border. A war game is held nearby as a further threat...would the US retreat and send their troops back to base? No way! So this pullback tactic is not really a sound defensive move but it will definitely show the world that Russia doesn't want this fight and who really does.

NATO picked this day to have war games and obviously coaxed the Ukrainian army to take control over the eastern cities as a means to provoke a war with Russia. Likely they are afraid of the May 25 elections going poorly for them to consider this kind of action now. It would be a definite game changer if Russia continued on it's earlier action into Crimea. Russia is likely backing down to allow the elections to win the day instead and halt an enemy set on battle. I doubt that the EU will leave even if they lose the elections, but for now tensions are less only due to Russia's actions. As usual, our news tells this story in a different light.

I hope others here see things in the same manner as I do. I choose those stories with proof of events, trying to show others what the people of Ukraine see daily. I am not Ukrainian or even know anyone there. Yet I have never seen so many courageous people stand against impending violence without raising a hand. The Ukrainian people as a whole, somehow know that any violent actions on their behalf will start a battle in which their country will be destroyed as many others have who resisted similar takeovers. They were earlier divided by their mixed culture and have let others have take advantage of this. Yet they are uniting more each day by withstanding the daily provocations being set upon them by others. I hope they get their vote and get to stay independent from either side as before. Yet I do not see the EU backing down as they have committed too much into this present action to retreat. I do not see Russia as weak! I see other nations choosing sides as push will come to shove after the elections. Yet I'm guessing that something else will have to occur to prevent elections or the EU is now truly the invader in everyone's eyes.
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Tue May 20, 2014 4:41 pm

May 20
British Press TV in Belgium states NATO threatens to increase it's presence and declares Russia hasn't pulled back, yet admits they are within their rights at 1:40 of this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az1hpTyUBj4

Ukrainians in the east are recruiting in Donetsk to stand against the EU backed Ukraine army. Not much of a defense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h88CdvKm3F4

BBC news interviews present Ukrainian ambassador. At time 3:25 he asks about the legitimacy of the present regime, and at time 6:00 asks about conflict of interest with US Vice Presidents son joining Ukraine's largest gas producer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IoEhQfL4MY Seems the British are less afraid to ask to big questions

CNN pushes America's choice, Poroshenko and even shows one interview of citizen who will vote his way to stop the violence(to present a path out of the violence) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQOrMrtzaV4

CNN argues that Russia occupied Crimea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2EEoQD1Lk
EU still assumes that if they win election Ukraine, they then legitimately control east Ukraine and it's assets. Interviewer mentions Victoria Newlund's voice recording of instigating Ukrainian crisis at it's onset (for those who have forgotten) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTos0duooaU

While US plays chess with Russia over Ukraine, they also seem to have another game in play with China . CNN shows both situations here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ENz9GeG6k
Seems we have a Canadian who can better explain these Senkaku Islands and who really owns them.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfIvBf6W_f0
or maybe this link is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx-NgVeRChI
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Wed May 21, 2014 1:42 am

still May 20

Vice News(American) travels with the EU's Donbass self elected military. They claim they are supported by the people and take over a police station in Donetsk and threaten police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KFGgKPrWfY
The Separatists still commit no violence yet on film to date. Seems many still wait the elections as a peaceful solution.

The Populist Parties are expecting keys gains from their EU efforts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVnxyF-zPbI
The Golden Dawn organization is defined as a practitioners of the occult by Wikipedia. Seems they have alot of power in Greece already...

CNN interview on America distorting Russia's image goes wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OQpLYKGSws

EU's bribe is being presented as Ukraine's solution to their impending economic collapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEsaCttmHys
Just in time to influence voters to go with the EU.....well played I must say! The west must realize that they would be selling out the east and this will likely lead to civil war? But their bill are being paid in the mean time... decisions, decisions, eh?

John MacCain is called the GodFather of this Ukrainian uprising. Here is why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC8Z7_jzpE
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Wed May 21, 2014 5:06 pm

May 21

Russian Journalists being denied access to Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybFmVgLgHB0

Ukraine military randomly harassing public....stopping a bus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCDwGq1DlYk

SouthEast Ukraine boycotting election and refuse to vote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx-d7QoCCNs

EU asks Putin not to stop gas flow (even though they won't pay past bill) while imposing sanctions :roll: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG8qkWEiscM
They say they will pay outstanding bill only if he doesn't raise price. Can we then do the same here?....

Poland hopes Ukraine goes with EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGNHTDM9r60
You can still see that west Ukraine is far more supportive of the EU. This may explain why the east fears losing the vote.

EU news shows that factories in the East Ukraine are promoting the EU even in Donetsk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJctjbZ_MPc
You should note the factory workers are not waving flags for the EU or such, likely they want to keep their jobs though

At least the claims that pro-Russians are attacking have stopped today. I see that fear tactics are now being applied to the public to show them who is in control. The non-interference by Russia will leave many in doubt as to their future support after the elections.

Imagine if you were in their shoes:

- Would you vote for EU and their obvious corrupt future government - they show you a way out of debt while permanently instilling fascism.
- or Russia, who is playing impartial and ignoring the pleas of the eastern Ukrainians.
- You don't want a civil war...which way is best?

Now if the EU was fair, they'd at least give Ukraine a fair price for their gas to Chevron and therefore not need to install puppets into their government. But the profiteers need to make alot to justify all they have invested in this occupation. And meanwhile Russia will lose sales and strength unless they stand up to these bullies! Peace is not in the making, no matter which way the pendulum swings..... and China has already been allied with Russia due to many other conflicts the US started.
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