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Ukraine: Daily Update

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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Antsy » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:03 am

"OK, So I didn't waste time looking up the publisher....blah blah!"

If you want to be taken seriously, you will have to put a little more effort into the "blah blah". Using nut bars as your source discredits both yourself and your positions. Just sayin'.

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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:57 am

Antsy wrote:"OK, So I didn't waste time looking up the publisher....blah blah!"

If you want to be taken seriously, you will have to put a little more effort into the "blah blah". Using nut bars as your source discredits both yourself and your positions. Just sayin'.

Antsy

I will have to presume that you didn't follow the thread either. The publisher(the individual who posted the video) took the info from another source. Prom looked up info on the publisher, not on the news producer(who really created the video itself), therefore having no real point, yet I had to respond to maintain integrity(which I am again doing). Yet this still misses the fact that one should really focus on what was being said, not on who's saying it. So if one really wishes to discredit the information, one should first focus on the content itself.
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:39 am

14 Jun Morning

- Ukraine APC's went into Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npn0X_rxQy4

- - Ukrainian refugees flee to Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MKajdK0Fo

- Russia sets gas payment deadline https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvmZDW-UnkI

- RT News: Crosstalk discusses why west isn't De-esculating events https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctJCOxRRWzg
seems Ukraine wants gas even cheaper than before

- Press TV: Ukraine prepares people to get ready for gas shutoff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jARVR8-1NPs
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby prom » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:58 am

Knuckle wrote:
Antsy wrote:"OK, So I didn't waste time looking up the publisher....blah blah!"

If you want to be taken seriously, you will have to put a little more effort into the "blah blah". Using nut bars as your source discredits both yourself and your positions. Just sayin'.

Antsy

I will have to presume that you didn't follow the thread either. The publisher(the individual who posted the video) took the info from another source. Prom looked up info on the publisher, not on the news producer(who really created the video itself), therefore having no real point, yet I had to respond to maintain integrity(which I am again doing). Yet this still misses the fact that one should really focus on what was being said, not on who's saying it. So if one really wishes to discredit the information, one should first focus on the content itself.



Actually I didn't check the publisher(the individual who posted the video). I watched the video you posted (which, from your post, I don't think you did ) and I got to the part where the host on the Iranian tv was interviewing the guy from Veterans Today. The video has about 1.4 minutes of news from VoA (which btw, I feel I have a sentimental link with since the late 80s when I used to get the outside news from them as well as from Free Europe, both tools of US propaganda against the good communist regime brought into eastern Europe on T-34s) and then jumps to some news from PressTV, the Iranian TV. After presenting the news about the NATO exercises they interview the VT guy. Then it jumps to news from the Russian TV.

My post was concentrating on the Iranian section and the guy they interviewed.

I quit trying to reason with you when you posted the video about Kabbalah, new world order and Putin the saviour of the world. I know I can't change your perspective so the least I can do is to offer a different perspective on the matter and challenge your sources which I think is a major part of the problem. Credibility is critical when you have a debate. So, if I was you I, would pay more attention when posting links from dubious sources.
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:45 am

prom wrote:
My post was concentrating on the Iranian section and the guy they interviewed.

I quit trying to reason with you when you posted the video about Kabbalah, new world order and Putin the saviour of the world. I know I can't change your perspective so the least I can do is to offer a different perspective on the matter and challenge your sources which I think is a major part of the problem. Credibility is critical when you have a debate. So, if I was you I, would pay more attention when posting links from dubious sources.


I was only using the first part (before the Iranian section) as reference to Ukraine, the focus of this thread(it is hard to find links that don't have other data attached). I sure don't see Putin as the savior of anything as he is a very dangerous man with alot of skill at deception. I do think he is having a much easier time at presenting his side as just, due to our side being so unjust while trying to get all the pieces on the board. Making deals with fanatics not only puts us in a bad light, but will likely have repercussions down the road. We all know Putin isn't going to give back Crimea, so war will be the answer for those who do! It's loss would weaken him drastically and the UN knows it. This detail is being used as the gateway to war by Obama and the UN,

The most obvious thing is that we are pushing a foe into a corner knowing he will have to fight. Then we will pretend that he started it. We ignore all the atrocities being committed daily in Ukraine as we line up our sights for the end game. Seems mankind must turn to battle to deal with our economic times. We all know this world is getting overpopulated... we know that fuel supplies are dwindling... and food supplies are shrinking too. Many here plan for a SHTF scenario, yet ignore the signs which will likely present us with some advance notice vs not paying attention.

You and others likely see this thread as my not being loyal to my country. I see things more as my country is now being honest to it's citizens. Our local news twist facts to portray events in a way that justifies our country's aiding in capitalizing on others resources. I show incontestable proof of this daily but many try to discredit this proof with simple supposition. I present it in a manner that is hard to contest(due to so much evidence showing us what is so), yet some do (as it is hard sorting videos because there is often something in many articles that makes one think twice if it should still be included). I think that the point is shown though that we are being played by our media and country.

I have been slowly losing interest in working this thread as most of you likely are tiring of reading the "same old" daily too. maybe I'll wittle it down a little in size by going every 2nd day...we'll see!

later

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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:43 pm

14 Jun Afternoon

- CBS News: pro Russians shoot down plane killing 49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObCaUd3pmQA

- Kerry condemns Russia for staying in Crimea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR7aU0K5eKI
claims the US is not looking for a fight but will back Ukraine (when Ukraine tries to take it back as US obviously wishes them to )

- here's another link that will get folks "Undies in a Knot" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRzAbzVMNzo
Now don't focus on the publisher or even the producer...just on the facts presented by video testimony of Newlund starting at time 0:45. They highlight points made by a US inquiry over US activities and investment before and after the coup. I use this link as a reminder to US involvement throughout Europe and therefore not to just believe that they are just fighting for the democracy of the Ukraine people.
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby prom » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:18 am

Knuckle wrote:14 Jun Afternoon

- here's another link that will get folks "Undies in a Knot" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRzAbzVMNzo
Now don't focus on the publisher or even the producer...just on the facts presented by video testimony of Newlund starting at time 0:45. They highlight points made by a US inquiry over US activities and investment before and after the coup. I use this link as a reminder to US involvement throughout Europe and therefore not to just believe that they are just fighting for the democracy of the Ukraine people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-YVqV0v4Q
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:10 pm



I just knew you'd be inspired by my link :lol:
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby Knuckle » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:45 am

15 Jun Evening

- Ukraine army heads for Lungansk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzbnTaau9NY

- Kiev mourns for 49 who died in plane crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUOJ9ug_a6g
wonder why our news didn't show any folks mourn the 104 who murdered in Odessa riots? Oh ya, but they did fire a couple security guards who shot those defenseless people...

- Kiev protestors damage Russian embassy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrvr94FLnTc

- Ukraine to punish Russia and rebels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQdfjMS6vI
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Re: Ukraine: Daily Update

Postby prom » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:08 am

prom wrote:
Knuckle wrote:14 Jun Afternoon

- here's another link that will get folks "Undies in a Knot" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRzAbzVMNzo
Now don't focus on the publisher or even the producer...just on the facts presented by video testimony of Newlund starting at time 0:45. They highlight points made by a US inquiry over US activities and investment before and after the coup. I use this link as a reminder to US involvement throughout Europe and therefore not to just believe that they are just fighting for the democracy of the Ukraine people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-YVqV0v4Q



My bad again, I posted the wrong video in the wrong thread. I meant to post the trailer for Dumb and Dumber 2. I hope it's going to be at least as good as the first one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGXHVlEklgQ&feature=kp

Never meant to say that you outdid yourself with that post and reached a level I never thought you would. Lesson learned.

On a different note I have to say that the video in case contains some disturbing statements from the broadcaster:

Minute 6.10 quote: "the real payback, I mean pay off, is for a mass of Jewish hacks and all their [unintelligible for me] promoting what's good for the Jews on Capitol Hill;
and we all know, what is good for the Jews is bad for everyone else"

From the above one can make an argument that the guy ( and you by posting the video here) could fall under the Section 319 of the Canadian Criminal Code which deals with hate crimes or with "publicly stirring up or inciting hatred against an identifiable group based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.
It is illegal to communicate hatred in a public place by telephone, broadcast or through other audio or visual means."

I'm going to have to ask the moderators to intervene on the matter.

The bitter irony is that you made a big case earlier about Nazis and fascists in Ukraine, yet you are posting links to anti-Semitic videos.

Now, I hope you'll appreciate the fact that I didn't focus on the publisher or the publisher, only on what he was saying
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