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Does War boost the Economy?

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Does War boost the Economy?

Postby Knuckle » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:14 pm

This is always a topic of debate when times seem hard. Many believe that if there is a positive to having a war, it is that it reignites the economy in a positive way. I too partially agreed with this concept as it somehow coincides with Newton's third law which states that for every action, there is an equal opposite reaction (regarding the laws of motion). I know that this is different but many still believe that war helps the economy for this or other beliefs.

I found this thread which is quite interesting and is a good reminder to not be too eager to choose war over peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa4LRo9L-Dg

Even the little Ditty at the end is British humour at it's best while pointing out the "elimination of the poor" as a goal to fixing world's problems....a premiss that only the higher classes would obviously support. It's too bad then that those who saw themselves as the middle class would have to now consider themselves the lower class. :o

All in all, it's good food for thought!

("there I go...kicking the hornets nest agin!") :lol:
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby endangeredspecies » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:52 am

what would be the unemployed level if the amrican army reduce in half their troop ?
why do you think they dont mind use a 225 000$ missil to kill ben laden camel and a tent
of course its boost economy or no reasson to fight
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby prom » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:10 am

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Knuckle
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby Knuckle » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:11 am

prom wrote:http://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2013/08/27/Wartime-Bullish-or-Bearish-for-Stocks-.aspx#axzz36pFSvfo6


I am amazed that this topic says volumes of ...... nothing! :lol: It is more likely that those who "are guaranteed to prosper" are those who make the toys for war and push for profits no matter the outcome. Another guarantee is that many will die for a cause they likely have little investment in other than food on the table. How many would still want to partake in a war if they saw the true statistics involved in profit returns and possible social improvements even if they did win? Wars only positive affects are to those who benefit directly by profiting from war. I'm sure much of the confusion created in the defense of war is likely just propaganda created by these benefactors.

American debt has risen to such great extents mainly due to the costs of their war machine. Oil would be far cheaper today if we just paid those who had it what they asked for at the market value, rather than attempting to confiscate it instead thru other means. So therefore conflict has to have other advantages to those who would rather choose this path. This is where we all try to justify their reasoning without seeing all the pieces in play. We know those who build the war toys profit but is there more?
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby prom » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:42 am

You asked a question: Does War boost the Economy?

The article proves with graphs that during some wars the stock market went up and during other wars stock market went down. This proves that there it can't be no correlation between war and economy. BTW stock market is considered to be the barometer of economy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_exch ... he_economy

I hope this helps
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Knuckle
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby Knuckle » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:49 pm

I don't know anything about the stock market so I couldn't tell if you showed me piles more of the same...I would first have to understand the particulars and then analyze that which many others have already done many times before. I just have to accept others testimony on this that there is no economic gain. Fair enough!

So then why do many assume that there will be better times ahead if we just let our leaders push us towards war? We build up for it continually and those increasing taxes we are forever paying are allotting more to a defense budget annually. All with an outcome that will only promote trouble for us later as we become a greater threat to others. It seems that others are willing to pay us for our resources at market value without having to wave a gun in their face. So why do the majority of Canadians allow our leader to send men and equipment into places like Syria who had so small a military they couldn't even produce a battle scene to back their claims of tyranny?

Prom produced historic comparisons that war doesn't boost the economy. So how do we change the mindset of others to accept that there is no gain for anyone but maybe a select few at the top? It's our media that shows us daily, conflicts that convert civilian populations to poverty levels in a very short period. At the heart of most of these these conflicts seems to be a minority of the people suddenly rise to power to destabilize their present government and havoc ensues.

Now economic collapse seems to be the outcome for most of these countries involved. Their economy was already on shakey legs, but with just a little push, folks chose to hate their neighbours over some difference they'd lived with well enough to this point. Old Prejudices seem to be the tinder for the conflicts, but economic instability seems to be the primary fuel that keeps it going. But who lit the match and why?
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby Knuckle » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:26 pm

So how do you get the focus off your own problems? By blaming someone else. Does this fix the problem? Of course not, but it relieves pressure that otherwise would escalate into internal conflicts within your own boundaries. I think this methodology is used by most nations today, especially the Russians and the US. I can't find examples of Russians doing this as they'd only be in the Russian language, but I'm sure they have their own propaganda occurring daily too. Here are examples from our side though.

- Reporters can't do their jobs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWkT6SRCUKY

- Putin is to blame according to media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLH8a7sXIAQ

With threats of looming economic collapse for many countries, most need a distraction to keep the public opinion on the side of the governing forces. But there is also the intent of further expansion of power and with this comes the risk of war. It is hard not to note that our media is pumping greater propaganda to confront Putin, even though we see no real evidence of a further threat. So what is the game changer now?

This scenario seems alot like an enemy surrounding those in a castle and concluding that maybe they should try to starve them out. Further sanctions seem to be that tool. Russia recovered from it's own economic collapse not so long ago and maybe their enemies can see that they best beat them down before they regain too much strength.

- US media discussing Russia's options https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8maH-DtM8 (BTW, this is the least opinionated one I could find)

It is hard to see the endgame of this current tactic. If pushed into a corner to hard, the enemy is bound to retaliate before they are starved or lose too much ground to defend properly. The obvious weakest link in the Russian front is that of Crimea. This is one of Russia's main pipelines by having access to the Black Sea.

- Here's a translated Russian link that explains what they think Ukraine is now up to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COeqGuT2Jgo

It is obvious there is some offensive measure being applied as the Ukraine government has already taken much of the east with aggressive attacks and yet seems to now be focusing on taking on Russia too. Since our media is backing them with our own propaganda against Russia, it is becoming obvious that we are trying to coax Russia into attacking so the US can finally get boot on the ground.

Is this due to attempts to avoid our own economic collapse? Are we forgetting that China and India are likely allies of Russia now? Is the timing of Israel tensions while beating on the Gaza Strip coincidence or a diversion? I think the Big Boys are playing and all of Europe is on the game board....
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby Knuckle » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:28 pm

In case folks didn't pick up on the Russian link as it is hard to follow, they are presenting another takeover by the EU on Ukraine's SW border also near Romania. This will capture Transistria, which has Russian affiliations and complete the EU occupation right up to Russia's borders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COeqGuT2Jgo

I Wonder why our news doesn't mention this region either? Hmmmm.... :?:

Here's a map of those EU members by Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_sta ... pean_Union
note the area in question in the lower left hand corner of Ukraine above Romania. Yup...lets see if Russia nails this prediction right.
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby Knuckle » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:33 pm

Here's an angle I never considered. Seems Ukraine has (or now had) strict legislation banning the import of GMO products such as those from Monsanto's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzR8ob43dsw

Appears that Monsanto's then isn't everywhere just yet as Ukraine is considered the bread basket of Europe. The plot thickens.... :lol:
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Knuckle
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Re: Does War boost the Economy?

Postby Knuckle » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:11 pm

Knuckle wrote:Here's an angle I never considered. Seems Ukraine has (or now had) strict legislation banning the import of GMO products such as those from Monsanto's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzR8ob43dsw

Appears that Monsanto's then isn't everywhere just yet as Ukraine is considered the bread basket of Europe. The plot thickens.... :lol:

It seems prom considered the above statement delving into the conspiracy aspect instead. Maybe it does... :o (oh gosh, I'm sorry). :?

But there has to be legitimate benefits to promotion of war or none of us would attend! There is the usual logic in the assumption that greed is always a major factor but to be more specific as to who could possibly benefit seems somehow taboo in our capitalist society...

The Soldier's Crede: "Ours is not to reason why. Ours is but to do and die"

(A line from a poem where men rode to their death because of a blunder from their superiors. A reminder that many often miss the real reference to this saying... )
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