It is I who ask you why you cannot see past your flag waving, to who is the real promoter of this war? If you take a comment that flying over Ukraine airspace will be considered dangerous as an admission of guilt, then something more direct such as a retired US general publicly showing the US's war plan (which seems to be coming true) should be irrefutable evidence to even you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyEJ6Aja-UQ
irrefutable or not is unrelated to the matter. And it's about events that happened more than 10 years ago. What is fresh and on the point is this:
A rebel leader for the pro-Russian insurgency fighting against the Ukraine government claims responsibility for the shooting down a plane at about the same time that the Malaysia Flight 17 went down over Ukraine.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pro-russian ... lines-jet/
You are absurd to say the least, in your arguments. I will stop here, I will not waste my time posting on this unless there is some relevant information coming up.