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Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:59 pm

- RT News: seems that the battles continued in the Donetsk region even though the ceasefire is officially still on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJAn3oHQVa8
Seems the Ukraine army used artillery and then Aeriel support to attack the city. RT says contacted officials of the Ukraine stated they would continue until all terrorists are dead.

- Press TV: UN claims the death toll is now over 3500 and that it has noticeably increased since the ceasefire was imposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBWPhoNvEo
There is never mention as to the percentage of deaths incurred to each side but video footage and just basic logic still shows the majority of deaths is going to the rebels and civilians.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:40 am

Ukraine Today: Russia has sent 4th aid convoy into Donetsk again without the approval of Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1WtlZQhuz4
Ukraine claims now that Russia is doing this to smuggle out Ukraine technology.

Ukraine Today: Moscow threatens to retaliate if Ukraine signs EU Free Trade deal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBEh8pK2KU0
Of course they would...wouldn't you? Do you not think that the EU have special restriction when you climb into bed with them instead? Don't let the term "Free Trade " confuse you. Does the EU trade with any outside of their agreement? Of course not. That is because there are limitations to their club and Russian trade is not included in this. Therefore this is just more hype at the obvious.

WochIt News: seems Russia has pulled back some of its troops from the Ukraine border. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4JHlCDtJfU
This is obviously to show that they too are relaxing somewhat as the spotlights are less focused on them for now.

There is now absolutely nothing worth presenting for an opposing view as censorship seems to have disqualified all but the lame posts.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:51 am

CCTV News: 3 Mass graves are found in the east after Ukraine army retreats from the region https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28EPDrMHPc
This and another report show OCSE is investigating these deaths.

WochIt News: Ukraine PM states Russia wants them to freeze. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTJdl7BCaHo
This is just propaganda to blackball Russia further as the report forgets to mention that Ukraine has yet to pay their last bill as yet. We already know that Russia had also given them gas up to this point at a far greater discount because of the pipeline feeding the rest of Europe.

Wochit News: Ukraine is ducking out of 3 Billion $ debt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jqoZ7X6Hs
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby prom » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:19 am

Knuckle wrote:CCTV News: 3 Mass graves are found in the east after Ukraine army retreats from the region https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28EPDrMHPc
This and another report show OCSE is investigating these deaths.

WochIt News: Ukraine PM states Russia wants them to freeze. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTJdl7BCaHo
This is just propaganda to blackball Russia further as the report forgets to mention that Ukraine has yet to pay their last bill as yet. We already know that Russia had also given them gas up to this point at a far greater discount because of the pipeline feeding the rest of Europe.

Wochit News: Ukraine is ducking out of 3 Billion $ debt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jqoZ7X6Hs


Hmm, I wonder how much Crimea is worth? or the damage Putin did on Ukraine since the beginning of the conflict. Just saying.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:37 pm

prom wrote:
Hmm, I wonder how much Crimea is worth? or the damage Putin did on Ukraine since the beginning of the conflict. Just saying.


Good point. But that is really putting the onus on Putin when it likely belongs more upon the EU. You seem to forget that there were no shots fired to reacquire Crimea. That is because most people there were of Russian decent and even spoke Russian as many seem to in east Ukraine. This is also how they acquired a 96% vote to rejoin Russia. If other neighboring regions were given this same vote, they too would likely opt to rejoin Russia for these same regions. The only reason Russia hasn't allowed this to happen is that it would provide NATO reason to attack.

Putin also sees that you cannot just invade and win the people in this way as the US have learned time and again with attacks on Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. He is winning the people over as it becomes obvious that the EU's real focus was for coveting resources. Maybe they are even realizing that democracy is just a word that capitalists often hide behind.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:57 pm

Our news mentions the trouble Ukraine may face if Russia doesn't turn the gas back on for Ukraine. But this is mostly in reference to those in the west. Can you imagine what hardship this winter will bring to the people of east Ukraine? Consider that which they face even now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKce1ajgxU
You can see by their clothing that they already face some uncomfortable nights. What about washing clothes and sanitation? The elderly haven't had any pensions form the government in 6 months. Little or no electricity. Only handouts that come are from Russia and Ukraine is trying hard to stop even those. How many will die once below freezing temperatures start? The blocking of all borders to Russia is a death warrant to those in the east unless Ukraine agrees to make allowances for their needs too. With debts forcing their every move, I doubt any concessions will be granted to the east unless the west is forced to by Russia through this gas crisis.

- Ukraine News: Rebels continue to fight those at the Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xovMkErle84
Finally the Ukraine army admits that they continue to hold the airport as they fear Russia could use it for advancing if it were in rebel hands.

-OSCE reps are interviewed about mass graves and conditions of those in the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ChrLKz2LY
They say that in 3 villages, all people are now willing to join and fight with the rebels, even the old and crippled. They talk of mass rapes being a part of their definition of genocide actions committed by the Ukraine army. All these people eagerly await any possible Russian intervention.

- more prisoner exchanges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaziN9P8DWs
hard not to notice that many of the people returned to the east are in civilian clothing (as usual) and suggest they are not part of the rebel forces but simply civilians captured for such swaps.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:19 am

- Seems the rebels do have an advantage over the west when it comes to heat and power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csgGIpKccxw
The east has coal electric plants for power and coal mines for heat. Their own infrastructure was damaged so many don't have the ability to heat their residences but they do still hold those resources hostage that will inevitably make the west pay for their misdeeds. And they also have the skilled labour forces needed to operate these plants. One would wonder why they hadn't considered such things before they started killing them?

- Ukraine has receive their new military equipment that was anonymously given to them by the UN nations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDm8QlR1Is0
- Ukraine heavy armour heading for Donetsk area https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFAZtN_jAuA

- Ukraine may have a gas deal to cover their winter needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWmgF7jNH8A

- human rights group has new book out: 10 Symptoms of Nazism is in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVjy2pic_SI
English subtitles to Russian interview, slow but has some good evidence to back up the theory. (warning: very graphic killings)
(man, both Ukraine and Russia sure have a violent past...)
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:47 am

- Ukraine claims to have given 14 million tons of aid to displaced Ukrainians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeaonP_Oc9o
So this report has fun with those numbers.....

- RT News: Prisoner swaps in danger as Rebels accuse Kiev of foul play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjxOsDk18iA

- Ukraine News: Ukraine claims Russia is still destabilizing them and they will respond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ4xrHSiMXE
This comes after the shelling of a school in the east and killing several people.

- Ukraine News: EU sanctions on Russia will remain in place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlR4WSACbxA

- Press TV: ceasefire on verge o collapse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THHBTH8N7uA
Russia claims they now have 390,000 registered Ukrainian refugees. Ukraine army has turned up the pressure on Donetsk airport region.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:34 pm

- Euro News: Another unique detail is Ukrainian politics. Their present Prime Minister resigns on July 24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8Q58M9kgA
He was always avid that Russia is to blame for their present circumstances.

- Press TV: yet here he is running for reelection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ps1nGGzHiI
Not only that, but one member of opposition has been supposedly kidnapped by the Russians and yet they continue with her as a valid opponent. Can you make sense of this as I can't? They also expect that few in the east will vote....REALLY? Would it matter if they did? They are fighting them and yet they would suggest that the east still has a vote? :o Do you believe that they would really count those ballads if they did try to vote?

- RT News: seems the Germans are fed up with NATO and the lies their being told https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Y28LR3tyk

- RT News: Russian Ambassador discusses UN being functional and present US domination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q6akB2VRZs
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:37 pm

- Ukraine News: claims that they saved 1/2 Billion dollars from buying EU gas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv4Id7noui4
Now I remember that Russia had given them big discounts on gas for use of pipelines to Europe. This article now claims Russia was ripping them off. If so, why did Europe buy their gas?

- Ukraine News: Poroshenko will give special status to English language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpk33SLtRcQ
And yet he disallowed Russian language even though it is the main language of the east

-WoochIt News: heavy fighting at Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJl45Qau4A
Seems the rebels have been trying hard to take back the airport while Ukraine has further strengthened its forces.
Alot of fighting is presently taking place in Donetsk's airport region and many predict that the same may occur soon in the Mariupol region as military build up is apparent there too. Seems that they too have alot of steel industry here and is therefore a strategic asset for either side to possess.

- rebels try hard to retake their airport but fail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2lwe9GgaQ
- Civilians under heavy fire in Donetsk as seen here in this short clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9qDsGwvL5k
- RT News: many unexploded shells and mines plague east Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1HVDDkymc


-Ukraine News: seems that Russia likely did abduct a member of the Ukraine parliament and has her on trial for the killings of 2 reporters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BIh7Cadpw
I have found nothing from the Russian side to confirm this but still suspect it is true.
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