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Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:49 am

- Global Leaks: massive Ukraine artillery attack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWFRSrpoQmE

- RT News: huge Mushroom cloud over Donetsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UdukqLrnk

- Tomo news: powerful blast in Donetsk as chemical factory hit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTthTyEgqHI
animated view of blast and it's effects

- HumanRightsWatch: proof Ukraine has been violating the laws of war with the widespread use of cluster ammo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixf1LEzh1fo
Great explanation as to their effects too.

- not surprising as phosphorus shells also landed near Donetsk earlier and these are banned too . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yen5H7QW93w
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Elections Over, Back to War!


- RT News: use of cluster munitions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yug2n7Wgo0

- Press TV: Ukraine Army renews the conflict near Mariupol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzDsXauUV80

- World news: Ukraine hits another munitions factory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwhrVIsBv3Y

- Ukraine Today: rebels plan insurgent attack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NgjP1uX7E4
they claim rebels have thousands dressed like Ukraine army ready to commit some crime

- Ukraine pound the Rebels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk9KzQ20Tfk
it's more likely they are pounding the towns of the east again
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:57 am

- night bombardment of Donetsk with Incendiary bombs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSlYL7ifv8s

- RT News: Russia sends more aid the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ8Y3qXE92Q

- Ukraine's launch another volley at Donetsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkhn7bONdLI

- Ukraine Today; says Donetsk is Ukraine and shows what it was like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaJ5-6BNGmc
Ironic then that Ukraine has bombed the crap out of it daily and yet they show this to the world now..

- EuroNews: Porshenko says elections threaten the peace agreement and it is the rebels who have violated it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chLwOevc2sc
I wonder what all this continual shelling of Donetsk is then....just a wakeup call?
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:58 am

- Ukraine Today: Ukraine has problems housing 300 people from war torn east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRiWShzykAc
so now imagine Russia's overhead with almost a million refugees now

- Press TV: Ukraine soldiers shoot police station for fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWaWUyRxz5c

- RT News: 15 yr old kid trains for war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnczvbYsmpI
is this not the epitome of desperation from the eat when they teach their children to kill?

- Press TV: Ukraine imposes passport control https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOFvVlEpsyY
Kiev won't allow eastern people to leave or otherwise flee the region

- Vice News: Shows daily life in a bomb shelter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtk5_OF54hY

- Press TV: large grad column heads closer to front line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ZXcsbadnM

- Telegraph: reporters follow Russian aid convoy & random inspect trucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYGDZRwToH0
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:58 pm

- TV news: seems Ukraine likely hit another munitions factory or equivalent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-6aefJ-voA
it's obvious they must have had these coordinates all along but finally accept that they can't have them for themselves and win

- lugansk war cemetery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLF0VX1vGCc
fresh mass graves for the newly deceased in the region

- Ukrainian convoy near Donetsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3K3uC2yr1I

- Ukraine Today: complain about Russia delivering another suspected aid shipment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mgbeCO-wCI
Russia had just delivered another aid shipment to the east and I showed where reporters did a random inspection as officials won't.

Q: Why won't they inspect these trucks? A: So they can claim there smuggling in weapons.

Q: Why do they not want those in the east to receive supplies that they themselves are unwilling to provide? A: guess why!

Q: Why does the Red Cross, OSCE refuse to inspect these trucks? It would relieve tensions over such and be of great benefit to those in need. And why do other nations protest the aiding of these civilians trapped in such a civil war? What is different here that they should refuse anothers offer to provide aid?

When folks can provide decent answers to simple questions as these, maybe I could start cheering for our side and feel we might be the good guys...especially if we offered aid instead of war toys!
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:41 pm

Aid is on the Way?

- Ukraine Today; complains as Russia plans another aid convoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJkBUwRwpY

- Press TV: Ukraine is turning cold as Ukraine troops advance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADnTeNHV35A

- AFP News: Russia aid package arrives in Donetsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbaBHaQ50B4
they show much this time is to restore power for the coming winter

The Glory of War:

- wanna see rebels direct hit on a BMP? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdKj13-IAPs
here today....gone today!

- rebels show they still hold Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJmuHTcFmeU
but listen to the complaints that Russia should help them and how they need some soldiers with experience as they are just miners and such

Then there's the Reality of it

- New Ukraine: see how well the rebels are equipped to fight an army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2rBRwhsISo
Warning: very graphic battle injuries. Watching the bandaging show me they are not medics and know little.

So why do they go on? Likely because their enemy has no money to support them if they surrendered. Their houses and economy gone. Their usefulness is limited and thus likely so is their existence. Russia can't take the remaining 6 million of them and I'm betting their options are very poor at this point.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby peppercorn » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:25 pm

I'm betting their options are very poor at this point.

You got that right, being pounded by rockets/missles now all funding sources from the western part cut..pensions not being paid......no one has funds for food, banking services shut...its bad...real bad...and winter is coming...I suspect Russia will move in..in force openly and be welcomed even by those who otherwise wouldnt want it so...its that or let them die.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:06 pm

I think Ukraine has been a socialist society in the east up to this point. Therefore it is likely that the people are used to all being equal in who has what as they more or less accept that the government then owned it all anyways. Such said, that means many can live legally in another's residence temporarily as Russia seems intent on restoring electrical power to some regions at least. This provides better options than folks hiding in tents over the winter. And a country that is known to be the breadbasket of Europe seems capable of having grains and produce still to help feed them during these times too.

The difference is if the shelling continues to follow these people to their new locations. If they shell around the airport only due to it's strategic location, then many should find safety elsewhere. If the shelling follows the population, then it is obvious they are truly trying to reduce the population. It seems the intent is quite strong already as they shell residential districts more than any other thing at present. But once the majority of the population are gone, you can bet the the Ukraine army will move in and occupy the region as theirs. Then the remainder of the city will be their next target.

It appears that NATO has something to do with this present push. Our news media has been continually preparing us to expect Russia to attack and so maybe a staged incursion is likely so as to allow their full forces assist to finally gain control of this region. Will Russia respond in kind to the buildup or will they allow it to show who is breaking the Minsk treaty first? The advantage lost would be where any battle would then be later fought as it could and would likely then threaten Russian territories.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby peppercorn » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:01 am

stop..not socialist..such words are thrown around..its not so... not at all...homes arnt owned by the state in fact after the collaps of communisum the homes/ flats people were in were offered for sale to the people in them for very modest amounts, still it could be a lot back then when things were tight, so the people could pay over time, thats how many wound up owning there own flats after communisum fell, and homes and flats built after the fall were built by contractors just as here, and you could get mortgages on them to pay it out over time, just as here.
Not socialist in the sence you mean, medical care could be like here where the state has clinic's and hospitals, but really that did not expand after the fall, in fact private care in private for pay hospitals and clinic's expanded greatly while the states roll dropped.
Education same thing...you no longer could study for free, everything changed for pay..right down to school trips...if your class was to go from donesk to Kiev for a weekend field trip if your parents couldnt afford the fee..you did not go. Not socialist at all. The only thing I can think of socialist and even then its a stretch, is the fees charged at museum's and cultural places...if you were ukrainian, you paid less than if you were a foreigner..but you still paid..you pay for your gas/ electricity and water just as here, except do to the lack of individual metering per flat (from commie times) your share is divided up by the total used by your apartment complex...but you still paid..and not much is equal..lots of poorer people, some middle class but some god awful rich, criminaly so...
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:00 am

It's nice to see that others know something about such aspects. They seem more like us then ever and yet they now lose it all to a failing economy as that is the initial cause of their present situation. No wonder folks don't want to leave as they indeed lose all and home insurance in such times is truly unlikely.

It's hard to imagine the game plan of shelling the cities into rubble. The intent to destroy the infrastructure is obvious. The reasoning is to make the civilians too busy seeking the next meal to have time to wage war. Making them truly reliant upon your handouts in understandable. Thus you can see that any supplies given them from Russia indeed slows this process drastically and gives them hope to fight on. The rebel's access to heat sinking missiles has definitely reduced the amount of Aeriel attacks which could have defeated them otherwise. But this then has lead to the Ukraine army relying more upon the shelling tactics instead. Such things seem minor to many but more obvious once pointed out.

You have to admit that these folks are a hardy breed who don't surrender easily.
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