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Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:53 pm

Trying to find items to post is getting harder each day as censorship seems to reduce postings of anything that might be aimed against the US agenda. Imagine what it is like for those in the US.


So How Fairs the People of the East in Winter?

- Ukraine Today: 9th aid convoy from Russia enters without government approval. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpA_0YHBTzg
Ukraine complains as Russia sneaks in another shipment to help those in the east.

- Ukraine Today: complains about Russia planning 10th convoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJcR_hxR7PA
They continue the protest knowing well that those in the east receive no other aide. They mention that the trucks are not full without suggestion to payload weight. ie: a truckload of T/P weighs nothing bit a truckload of grain on pallets does as each bag likely weighs 100 lbs. Thus 2 pallets are a ton, 4 pallets 2 ton. Those trucks shown are 5 ton max. Loads are decent so they need better examples to complain. Also the more trucks used, the more generous Russia looks to the world.


- Press TV(Ukraine): Pro-Russian Army (PRA) fight for Donetsk Airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePrI5n1U5E
This footage shows that the PRA now have body armour and large insignia to help differentiate who is on which side in battle. Note this body armour is not familiar and therefore likely compliments of Russia.

- War Leaks: UA doing battle from within a BMP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQssASXlew
Here you get to see just how much of an imbalance there is as pro-Russian soldiers go up against tanks with only rifle and hand held RPG's. It seems that they even give the tanks a good fight too. I doubt their body armour is of little help here. If they had the tanks to meet these attackers, I'm sure they'd be using them instead.

- South Front: UN delegation to meet with Russia regarding refugee situation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-_B7eWXkbc
their posting under another name to try circumventing censorship

- US Q & A period: RT's question about US sending weapons to Ukraine cut short ...as usual! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otGmNe9PAJ0
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby prom » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:15 am

Knuckle wrote:Trying to find items to post is getting harder each day


don't sweat it. You can take a break now. You deserve it and you need it. We all do. 8-) :roll:
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby peppercorn » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:12 pm

This drop in oil revenue is a game changer...whatever russia was going to do, is doing or contimplated is certainly effected...this is going to kill any development in crimea, which was already going to be expensive without a land connection...not forseen at all...
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:13 pm

peppercorn wrote:This drop in oil revenue is a game changer...whatever russia was going to do, is doing or contimplated is certainly effected...this is going to kill any development in crimea, which was already going to be expensive without a land connection...not forseen at all...


How so? I thought that grabbing Crimea was strictly a defensive measure as they needed to maintain their fleet in the Black Sea and keep it as another trade route. Also a means of keeping submarines home and abroad too. And since the Black Sea borders Russia and must be held against invasion by water, above or below as missiles can be hidden otherwise by the enemy too. Maintaining the military base in Crimea is a strategic loss for Ukraine too as it further weakens their economy without it's assets. The majority of the people are Russian and showing unwillingness to defend them would have hurt Russia pride just as not helping those in eastern Ukraine likely does. I have speculated that Russia was just trying to wait out the US's inevitable economic collapse as compared to having war on your doorstep, which is never a good thing.

The west knew well that their interference in this region would cause such division as Ukraine seemed to have these divisions (which language barriers seems to best define) continually since their separation with Russia in the 1990's. This last trick where the US proclaimed that they would offer protection to Moldova as it stands alone with no way of Russia protecting them even though they have strong ties with Russia. They are indeed using Moldova as bait and pretending it to be an Allie of the US when Moldova is not even interested in the US or the EU trade deals.

This continued aggression by NATO shows them to be only wanting proper justification to initiate action, as they must look as if we want piece while to take this to the final step and proclaim war upon Russia.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby peppercorn » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:36 am

It wont effect there military operations as such in Crimea, but Crimea is also far more than just a millitary post, there is a huge civilian infastructure...a infastructure that needs power, water, and even gas as the pipelines and power run through Ukraine...pensions that Ukraine has terminated now have to be carried by Russia...and lots of pensioners live there...these costs are going through the roof as the Rubble falls. Resupply costs for that civillian infastructure...is hurting Russia bad. With Putan and his kind having pillaged the russian econnomy for there own benifit there is not enough revenue from other business to fill in the short fall from oil revenue, and now the double wammy of a falling rubble it just gets ugly, but this just gets really ugly for the average Russian even worse....its way worse than the 98,99 fall of the Rubble as the average Russian wasnt in debt like they are now days, and now in debt denominated in forgien currency, while there earnings are in falling Roubles.
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:27 pm

So it is likely only due to this present decline in the Ruble that helps maintain stability in the demise of the US dollar. Yet the Russian's state that the Ruble is undervalued presently while the US dollar overvalued. This means that this aspect can only be temporary due to these present actions created by the US. They cannot be maintained as it is but an illusion of reality!

Many know that Germany is a powerful influence upon the Euro staying alive. Yet public news shows that the majority of Germany is now sympathizing with Russia due to their close economic ties of such a close neighbour. Sanctions are ruining their economy too and they don't have a military to defend them against conflict other than that provided by the UN and NATO. This threat of war so close to them has the majority now wanting to switch sides as many polls show this. Their loss would immediately cause the Euro to fall and the Ruble to soar. In doing so, this would likely in turn destroy the US dollar and tip the scales. Because of this potential, Germany has been under constant scrutiny and will likely be the stage for much chaos soon due to the inner turmoil caused by seeing uncensored,what Ukraine has suffered under the banner of what we call democracy today.

I'm sure what I've shown here is little compared to what has really occurred there daily!
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Sun Dec 28, 2014 12:59 am

Now this thread I tried to keep more to just showing the events affecting those in east Ukraine. Even this too is now hard to present as much of the material available is now just western propaganda and no longer shows the plight of those in the east.

The west instead presents themselves as the defenders against that ever threatening Russian army that no one can ever see. They show brave men firing artillery at the sky, soldiers firing rifles at imaginary targets that are carefully never filmed, and proclaim all the destruction presented in done by the rebels as their forces are too careful to have destroyed whole cities.

I did manage to find a few new threads after many hours of searching for days though....

- EuroNews: shows prisoner swaps over Christmas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTqKHcapIlc
150 UA soldiers for 222 rebels seems to be a good trade according to major news media sources.

- RT News: prisoner swaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wrK4u8zb_Q
What many don't find on our regular news is the numbers of soldiers swapped for just civilians who are claimed to be rebels. Seems many trades are just reducing mouths to feed and RT shows women who claim they were even tortured. Something the east often shows proof of and yet the west does....

- RT News: shows new footage on Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9WYJAkehlA
Once again in the hands of the pro-Russian army.

- South Front(another name): check out the explosion from a Tochka shell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6SKxIS6TgY
Seems the UA army is definitely using some nasty weapons to kill their enemy.

- RT News: Ukraine seeks to join NATO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHKf_1dAsts
discusses the affects this could have with even potential for all out war

- South Front: states Finland is siding with Russia and France is withdrawing from NATO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6SKxIS6TgY

I haven't heard any formal address to these claims as yet other than here but South Front has been honest news up to this point so far as I've noted. Finland borders Russia and thus too likely has many ties with them. Also, any country bordering Russia likely would become a battleground to further divide Russian forces. Thus to become a part of Russia is in their best interests to be under their protection and thus move the front lines onto their further borders.

France trying to drop out is likely a surprise if true. Many have been fearful of Germany leaving and the latest polls continue to suggest the instability is indeed true as 60% want trade and ties with Russia renewed. Yet our media never mentions these things and I doubt ever will until they can no longer be denied. Instead they want us to believe that all sanctions are destroying the enemy and weakening their resolve. How many really think this tactic isn't making the majority of Russia's population prepare for all out war instead as that is what we'd be doing in their place, isn't it?

- RT News: Seems Ukraine is banishing certain religions from gathering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxhtVrcjqm8
yet Poroshenko still proclaims to be creating a democracy, right?
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:02 am

Been awhile since I could post much here as the censorship restrictions remain in full swing. This is easy to note with the type of news that I have to work with these days.


- RT News: Ukraine has started an major offensive against Donetsk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shvTsS-w5Sk
Russia states that is they are aware and consider this an escalation towards war.

- Press TV: Human Rights watch asks Germany to stop Ukraine from using the banned cluster bombs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7jQ0pejhFw
They also ask why EU members ignores this use these banned weapons on civilians

- Ukraine Today: complains of the 11th convoy to the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HYy4j9pDao
with more propaganda against Russia while never mentioning how they are not helping the east survive otherwise.

- War on Donbass: shows a map of Ukraine Army advancing into rebel territory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIvkN74-qU
but this is a perfect example of how much censorship there now is. The post must say nothing to be allowed thru.

- Tomo News: a missile strike that kills 12 civilians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLmk30tXuyk
it proclaims this is proof that the rebels kill civilians. If you listen to even their wording though, neither side can be proven guilty as usual.

The difference now is that the rebels can't tell their side anymore and show proof as they'd often collected to refute such past claims. Seems there is rarely any doubt when asking the civilians who is killing them. And some day your gonna finally ask that big question....Why are they continually killing them? Isn't the destruction of their economy, the freezing of their funds, the fact that many don't even have heat and running water enough. And maybe now I'll remind you that they have done this to over 60 cities and villages in the east last count.

And when in the past have we Canadians so blatantly turned our backs on such genocide being committed and then even sent support to aid them in this effort?
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Re: Ukraine hunger in Donetsk

Postby Knuckle » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:47 am

No, the censorship hasn't decreased, but it seems the UN finally decided to help those dislocated folks in the east Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENb0sc5hhxE

Note how there is no mention as to whom shelled this town they chose to present. There is no comments from these town folk, just the narration given by those who are promoting the UN's act of kindness. Why wasn't consideration given to these people back in May when the attacks started. Instead Russia was condemned for their willingness to offer aid. You are to forget this kindness from Russia as they hope the folks in the east here will too.....just start by explaining why their town had to be flattened in the first place!
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