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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Nicmos » Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:07 pm

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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby army issue » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:50 pm

The Canadian Down Bag System is real Toasty. The Cotton Flannel liner is the first thing to warm up before the Down does so it takes the frozen edge off when you climb in. My experience has been about 20 minutes @-35*C and the insulation has kicked in. By morning you're cozy warm, but someone has parked a dump truck on your Bladder!
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The other Mil sleep set I have is the USGI it uses Polyester fills to insulate which is arguably not as warm as the Down.
The Polyester will dry much easier than if your down bag gets wet and we are talking about Bug Out and such here, shits already gone bad wet bag is a likely factor.
These are designed with brass snaps so all three layers will connect and work in unison. so the inner outer and Gore-Tex shells Zippers will all line up and allow easy access for Ingress and Egress. (These are not Swedish Twins) :roll:
The huge benefit with both these systems are they are made in North America and been field tested by Thousands of people in almost any set of conditions you can expect in this Environment.

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Oh Knuckle, I have Spare liners and an Outer Bag too if you want to re build your CF Sleep set.
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Safetyiq » Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:16 pm

Totally agree with army issue.

We have two of them and they are great for summer and winter and can keep you warm and dry

we also have a hammock tucked into our sleeping bags
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Gallowshumour » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:32 am

“…I want to keep my credit card empty for when the Dominion arms grizzly comes on sale. I also have done a PISS POOR job of saving, though, to give myself credit…”

The key to staying warm is loft (to trap air) and layering. If you have to prep on a budget, why not look into buying a couple of lower priced sleeping bags at Walmart and slip one inside the other? On the upside, if you run into a little feminista prepper, you could always zip the bags together (the heat will take care of itself). Having two slightly lower rated bags also means you can go to one bag when the temperatures start to rise. What you don’t want is for the STHF the day BEFORE you have the money for your big purchase. Look into lean manufacturing and just-in-time shipping, and you’ll see just how little stock your average retailer carries; they’ll be wiped out in about an hour in an emergency. The same goes for food stores. Warehousing space doesn’t pay (it’s overhead for a retailer); retail space (the sales-floor) is what pays. Stores today get their stock in smaller, more frequent loads to keep inventory low, so they’re going to run out fast.

With respect to the Dominion Arms Grizzly, yes it would be good in a close-quarters, self-defence situation, but what good is it beyond that? If I had to prep on a budget, I’d try to stretch my dollar by buying guns that can do double-duty. A Remington 870 Tactical with a folding stock and 18.5” barrel has enough barrel length to make it an effective hunting firearm with slugs, as well the compactness of a self-defence gun. It can also be fitted with chokes to tighten the shot pattern when firing birdshot. From what I’ve heard, the Grizzly is cylinder choke only. Couple that with the 12.5 inch barrel and you’ll have a rather wide shot pattern that’s useless for anything far away. When it comes down to only hunting, stretch your dollar by buying over-and-under combo guns. Both Baikal and Savage make .22LR or .22WMR over .410 GA combo guns, which are good for taking small game (the Baikal IZH-94 MP Scout, and the Savage Model 42). The Savage Model 42 also comes in a take-down version (breaks in half) so it can be hidden in a backpack. For larger game and birds, Baikal makes a .223, .308 or 30-06 over 12 GA rifle (the IZH-94 Taiga). If you know anybody that’s a gun club member, ask them to check their club's bulletin boards for used firearms. I have a friend who’s bought many used guns and he has no problems hitting his targets.
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby RachelM » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:02 pm

Stay away from newer 870's. My first firearm purchase was an 870 because it is what my father has, and I was sorely disappointed. They are now made cheaply compared to the good old models. You might get lucky and get one that works fine, or you might get one like I did that jams constantly. After sending back to Remington to be 'fixed' (It is not) and also brought to a local gunsmith, it seems that the poor ones are not really fixable. Old 870's are good quality, since my father's is going on 40 years now. To replace my 870 I got a Winchester SXP that I love. The best part about it is it came with 2 barrels: a 12 inch and a 28 as well as a set of 5 chokes, so it can be used for anything.

If you're still looking for firearms (Since I know the OP is quite old), try https://www.thebigegunshop.com/ ] . They have used gun sales as well as an auction. If you watch closely you can sometimes find a real steal on some good used firearms, especially shotguns.
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Gallowshumour » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:43 am

I bought my 870 in 2010 and haven't had a problem with it, then again I haven't cycled a lot of rounds through it. It seems to cycle fine, though, when I do use it. I do have a problem with a 1895 Henry Guide gun I bought new (45-70 calibre). When you try to lever a new round in it jams, and it's damn near impossible to get the round out after.

I think, though, for the sake of the original post, that a gun that can be used for both hunting and self-defence should be top of the list when you're on a budget. There's always time later for the fancy toys, but there'll be no time later if the balloon goes up while you're waiting for the money.
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Wayne » Thu May 18, 2017 12:17 pm

I know that this is an older thread, but for those that are interested, Alps Mountaineering offers various micro fibre bags for a reasonable price. -20 degree F bags are usually less than $120 U.S.. Unfortunately, they are not as light as down, but they do not appreciably lose their insulation qualities with moisture absorption like down does. This makes them appealing for long-range use, or as a relatively inexpensive option. They are however weight/bulk prohibitive for a backpacking situation as they weigh almost 7 lbs.
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Wayne » Thu May 25, 2017 11:48 am

The military sleep system certainly is a great performer in extreme environments as long as it remains dry. Once wet however, it can be all but totally discounted as a source of warmth. I've used down for years and praise its abilities. It would be the last bag I'd use for a survival situation, unless it was in Arctic conditions.
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Bob Scott » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:08 pm

REGARDING the enemy of apparel when Winter Camping...Use to Winter Camp here in the cold Country once a year usually in January. Out of about seven times, on the 8th one day into it the temp dropped to an unusual, even for Ontario, down to -45 and it was a full-blown blizzard. We packed it in. Fortunately that year we three had a snowmobile.
As far as winter bags I still have mine "mummy bag" with an instant warm dupont fabric interior (that will not retain water). However, I cannot stress enough..do everything in layers..from underwear to t-shirts-shirts longjohns and double lined pants and socks DO NOT EVER USE COTTON apparel. Wool or most synthetics do not hold water (wet-snow or sweat) and dry fast. Cotton retains moisture and dries slow..a killer to many attempting winter camping. Layer 2-3 blankets below and above your bag and sleep close, wearing a layer of clothing and tuke.
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Re: WINTER SLEEPING BAG

Postby Danux » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:24 am

This past spring, I was only dealing with 0C inside the shack, but having a Hudson Bay blanket over me was a huge difference. Even one of those fake sheepskins really does a good job of trapping body heat.

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