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The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:16 am

Now after reading the eastern perspective on this war in the previous post, here is a western explanation of this same topic...

- a West Ukrainian explains their opinion of why the east is fighting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0_bY_CYx2s
does this sound like the truth to you or propaganda? Would the rebels really fight as they to their death as they do for the oligarchs? They have body armor, totally outnumbered, out equipped, and without hope...yet they fight on! I'd bet this is because they also have no options on this matter as it sure isn't for the paycheck!

- Euro News: Rebels call for UN peacekeepers to help the east hit regions
ya, like their gonna help! Ukraine army suggests that the rebels for upon them and then upon their own people to make it look like the UA are bombing the civilian population...really, watch it and see!

- Aljazeera news: rebel justice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTAye_pUZpY
they do a good job of trying to make it seem that the rebels are barbaric

- VOA Video: US wants to provide lethal aide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq-nK40VJZM
as if their not already...

- Italy crowds show support for Russia against fascism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d81gseyBVDs
seems Putin has hit a nerve with the Nazi speil...

- US is keeping troops around Ukraine for at least a year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yi3pePkOhk

- Christain Broadcasting: shows the political tensions still high in Kiev on Independence Square https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8HNU1Nexu0
shows people of the west are not the happy with the near leadership as we are led to believe and maintaining a constant guard shows they fear the public might again rise up in protest.

Yup, their fascists!
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:47 pm

Civil Unrest in the West?

Seems some are getting brave in the west and the government in Kiev is taking precautions...

- RT News: protesters in Kiev seem to be wanting to side with the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54KHXyQB-Q
can't tell for sure but you see them adding the east's colors to their Ukraine flag?

- Press TV: Ukraine civilians block UA and tell them to leave the east alone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I43W6BmizTM

- South Front: rebel news shows west will rewrite their history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaC9UJm9NYc
all Russian literature is removed and suggest Nazi approach instead

The Rewriting of History....Already?

- Ukraine Today: EU pact signed with Poland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1eDtsUpO9A
note at how at the end they retell how Yanakovich (previous ousted leader) wouldn't sign and so Russia invaded...no mention of coup de' tat being the reason that divided them and started this war..seems the rewriting has begun! and to the victor goes the spoils

- Galloway: talkshow discussing Ukraine's instability in Dec 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8882FILS0ik
@ time 12:30, George points out Obama's unhappiness and threatens Ukraine economy

- Galloway: talkshow reminder as to events back in April 2014
here George reminds us that Ukraine's first act was to abolish the Russian language which many deny later as being an issue. He states how the government was stacked with fascists after the overthrow to secure EU interests and much more.

- South Front: a compilation of EU's actions to take Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJs7_sCyMl8
Shows the west's manipulation of the media and how they provide no evidence as they continue their daily attacks. Worth the watch.


Meanwhile, The game continues....

- Ukraine Today: Canada delivers more "no lethal equipment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8IC43mJDP8
seems night vision goggles will allow them to kill their enemy easier...I'd therefore consider this as lethal, yes?

- South Front: Poroshenko votes to allow foreigners to become Members of Parliament https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEyao-sbcrQ
this makes it obvious who is to rule Ukraine in the future
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:49 am

- MH17 evidence that Russia is innocent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52CXl9Jy-b8
shows the first video presented immediately after damning Russia was quickly removed as errors in it's creation are obvious.

- News World: show UA (Ukraine Army) can relocate quickly by train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWBh_eQ-1hE
(note the lack of the white stripes as they are no longer on their equipment?)

- News TV: considers Russian soldiers are amongst rebelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXEKAmO0C1U
I'm wondering why most aren't wearing body armor then? I don't doubt that Russia supplies them with some weaponry but you'd think they should at least give the rebels body armor if they are aiding the east.

I sympathize with this reporter as she tries to justify the actions taken by British leaders against Russia. It seems I'm finally realizing all the implications of Canada maybe becoming a fascist society are setting in. Therefore I find myself now wanting to uncover that Russia is at fault and that we Canadians are just in our present actions. yet the more we get involved, the closer our own troops get towards being on these front lines. Since Canada seems so determined to be in this fight, we citizens will have to just swallow the whole pill more easily to avoid later having it stuck half way down....

- News TV: reporter searches for the western fascist in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bArKnGE8BU4
So we are trying to give further proof that the west Ukrainians aren't fascists. They show that people are accepting those refugees of the east into their homes free of charge. They are shown dancing and happy and have no complaints. But never any mention of the Russian language being abolished and the continuous bombing of those in the east. This reporter makes it a point not to mention such points as it would place a negative spin on this supposedly loving aspect of those western people.

Yet was this reporting still not the best we've seen regarding this touchy subject so far? Did it have you convinced that fascism is gone and even help you forget that soon American foreigners will likely help rule Ukraine from within their parliament? But still, we are offering them freedom from oppression, right?
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:50 pm

So Who Is At The Wheel?

- Ukraine Today: Poroshenko sells foreign policy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hdyu_1iLTU
his way to eliminate corruption is to allow foreigners have governmental positions...

And this aspect comes just after the admission that all of Ukraine's gold reserves disappeared. The interesting talk regarding this and more from Dmitry Orlov was presented by C5 here http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/8 ... aring-thin (watch the bottom video). He points out that this same event occurred when the US entered Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya too but I'm sure this is just a coincidence.

Now Dmitry is a Russian that has been living in the US since the 80's and he gives his interpretation of Russia and better explains Russian response and how they think. It is an informative article and worth the watch as he points out the differences in how the two nations react and public perceptions.

So it seems that the US feels it needs to have their own people disperse the money they give to Ukraine to steer them where they wish things to now go. To achieve this, the people have to believe that this is done to eliminate the present corruption and the bait their continually offered is their acceptance into the EU.

(Did other countries have to allow such things to join? Before you answer, remember that our country just voted against the abolishment of Nazi Semitism!)



So how Do they Sell This?

- Ukraine propaganda on anti-corruption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B37ozBz1LNU
these guys use the " smoozing" technique to the max! They mention that Ukraine has suggestions from Forbes magazine and others considering Ukraine has potential to be the new silicon valley or Europe as they are highly intelligent people(we all like compliments). They next go on to use the tactics of the news agency Ukraine Today, where they try to convince the public that Russia is a wounded bear and near collapse (so don't side with the losers).

The unique thing that I always seem to find is that everything that the US claims Russia is doing eventually displays evidence pointing to US influence or conditions which themselves presently face in reality. From the mention of them being close to economic collapse to them having invaded Ukraine. From the MH17 event to the claims Russia is creating all this instability.

The accusations constantly fly from the mouths of our reporters and never is there any substantial proof to back them up. When evidence does appear to disprove these claims, no mention is given and other stories arise instead to cloud our memories of the final outcome while they create new doubts to sell us instead.
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:09 pm

- Ukrainian major and military expert states there are no Russians in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFgC4e2OdeU
So when even those from the west proclaim this, why doesn't NATO listen?

- Ukraine Today: Putin makes gas deal with Turkey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJwfncrRass
Seems EU is making it hard for Russia to sell Europe gas, so Russia is making other deals instead.

- Anti-Maidan: UA soldier claims that their wounded are killed for organs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh17ZKWqoV4
does this look like propaganda? He still hates those of the east and yet now he is confused as to who is in the right.

- Ukraine Today: Ukraine government now imposed an army escort rule for all reporters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y8HUxmLwDk
reporters are angered by this law as it endangers reporters and limits their ability to function as this imposes censorship, no matter how you look at it.
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:01 pm

Listen to the sound of one hand clapping!

An opening line to the following interview. this is a calm discussion of today's Cold War...it think it is worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdCcR8pEm3g

-The Young Turks: Interview with Stephen Cohen(Prof. of Russian Studies at NYU): a great interview with many insights as to this new Cold War. He mentions @ 12:20 that Putin states they cannot retreat and this is our warning. This whole interview recites an honest play by play of how we got to this present point, both sides guilty of interference, just that Russia has had no options though in their part of this and that too rings true.
His next advice is to not read the news, but to watch it instead on the web! This is because the mainstream media can no longer be trusted. He also then mentions too that there are indeed alot of misinformed people giving advice so to be careful whom you listen to on the web ...seems they must have taken my advice here...

@ time 21:21 he shows that Crimea is not really the issue either. This leads into the original purpose of NATO and what it is today and how this is what is threatening the world today.

Now you can see that the Turk has more of the American attitude of protectionism, but he is respectful and willing to listen, just the same. An informative interview indeed.


Elsewhere:

- RT News: Congress demands Obama send US weapons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0q7zIfjOB8
note how the news always plays that Obama is the one holding back the might of the US? Thanks God he has a level head is what we should be thinking as he states that Putin has back approach. Thus this continued push for dominance is to be seen as a peaceful solution to all of this?

- South Front: they point out Orwell's "Ministry of Truth" was formed in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR-qw3F ... freload=10
this follows a sci-fi plot in the book 1984 where this ministry's job it is responsible for any necessary falsification of historical events. This refers to them already rewriting the history lessons they will teach.

- Ukraine Today: Ukraine receives another 500 million Euros from the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYZdjCGZL2
they admit this comes immediately after allowing foreigners into their parliament

- Russia/Ukraine: this new propaganda outfit takes footage and posts their own spin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yk-n3LOBKM
these guys flash an NBC logo at the start. Their footage is usually just a repost of others with misleading data. On another they claim obvious UN soldiers (blue berets, UN cap badges) are Russians when you can see they are with the UA soldiers.

I post this last link to show how such work so those cruising can better know the players when cruising the web. Seems they pretend to be pro-Russian to mislead viewers. There are others like this with whom I have sort thru their content daily. Some even have footage I'd like to present but the titles would confuse viewers and likely create argument if shown. I mention such as this as I have to ask myself daily if my choices of what I present then portray too much censorship on my behalf. It is an easy line to cross and a hard one to sometimes see.....
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:21 pm

- Press TV: shows UA prisoners being forced to sing Russian song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQHjKiruFew
hard not to notice that each soldier bears marks of being beaten. Seems the rebels are becoming more aggressive as their enemy is. yet to record such things and post it for the world fuels hatred towards them even though the UA has been doing far worse for some time.

- South Front: news update regarding Ukraine's Financial aspects, corruption ranking and the west's power outages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlNxxID84fU

- Sound off: cadence call comparisons of the US and Ukraine Army : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkvAkQgJpAY
the creator of this video is trying to show the US influence in Ukrainian military. This couldn't be shown as true unless you had prior footage showing their cadence calls before the coup.

- Euro News: McCain's comments strain US-Hungary relations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMWnd_8lXKs
It's the pot calling the kettle black routine...he calls Putin a neo-fascist when they are the ones backing fascism.

- Ukraine Today: Inner Ukraine city protest blamed on Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sl8vopkqR0
note at the end that they state no Russian provocateurs will escape justice. Is this not just a way of warning all not to clash with their present government.

- War In Ukraine: interview with another pro-Russian leader https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1nuP_iRDc
his arguments that the lack of proof of Russian soldiers in Ukraine is excellent as he points out that all prisoner exchanges require passport IDs and none have ever been Russian yet. And to call them terrorists means that Donetsk has 4.5 million terrorists.

- Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern gives German interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ2ZenOV5qg
Ray points out the previous agreements that the US made with Russia and the deal breaking that the US continually commits. He explains the whole process of NATO advancement upon Russia. Ray points out that much of this evidence collected against the US is that which WikiLeaks has shown the world. German reporter states that this is a crime against peace.... so true!
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby prom » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:05 am

Knuckle wrote:- he calls Putin a neo-fascist when they are the ones backing fascism.[/size][/i]



Do you even know what fascism is?
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:36 pm

prom wrote:
Knuckle wrote:- he calls Putin a neo-fascist when they are the ones backing fascism.[/size][/i]



Do you even know what fascism is?


Yes, I have even used Wikipedia's definition here in this forum in the past. So maybe to avoid repetition, how about I use Webster's this time?

Fas-cism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

So, which part shall we challenge on this aspect? Whether Ukraine now has all the makings of a fascist society or if Canada and the US fall into this category too? If you have followed this thread, you can see so many mentions of incidents with proof included (as this is how I roll here), to show this path we are all being led down.

This is the purpose of our media today in our governments eyes. It seems our daily news has just become a tool to convince the public that our government is just when making decisions for you. The only thing left now is the perception that we still have this ability to choose.

- Is it proper that the leaders can veto the decisions of their Parliament? Hitler and Stalin had that... Poroshenko does. Obama does. Putin doesn't.

- Is it right that we have passed bills in our own parliament which allow our government the power to read your mail and record conversations for a years term on ALL it's population? Freedom of speech is becoming a thing of the past as you just have to turn on your TV to verify this.

- what are our motives for interfering with another countries policies anyway? Does this really promote "freedom of speech" for those people or just cause division? Are we maybe doing it for other reasons instead?

- maybe we should let foreigners have seats in our parliament too as we back the US doing so to Ukraine and this too is being promoted by our media

- are we not aiding Ukraine in the suppression of opposition as they continually try to annihilate those in the west?

- why do we not mention in our Canadian news that the banning of the Russian language was the major issue legislated by the west upon the east? This action immediately made the west superior in status and understandably provoked a civil war. Is not equality in the the definition of democracy?




Definition of Democracy:

1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.

3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.

4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.

5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.



The Canadian Way

Now I found this article from the Globe & mail stating Canada's messy way of going to war. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-de ... e21002764/ It at least explains the division we have in our political parties stand on such an issue. The main point though is that we are divided and this war of Ukraine is about as legitimate as the one in Iraq, Libya, and others.

The deciding factor over which side our parties choose is often based on the intel given by the ruling government. This then allows them to opt for the twisted lies when the truth is so obvious to see as shown by the daily examples I present here. Imagine how much easier it would be to accept this visual proof if not for the continuous bombardment of false propaganda our news feeds us daily to at least give you doubt . Even though their version is a harder pill to swallow, they play it continually until your subconscious simply accepts it as truth.

We know all know that Russia has been backed into a corner. We all know that things could go really wrong if we continue to poke the bear....but do we stop? It also mentions (in order) that we are strongly influenced by the decisions of Britain and the US. The author gives us hints as to our history in politics and even to our government's present agenda. I'm sure that he would later suggest that we get in the fight as our leader's want, but in reality, you must ask yourself then why does he leave the reader hanging? This action is a suggestion that the author's personal opinion that Canada should not participate in this action of war but if he stated so, this article would likely then go unpublished... do you see this in the same manner?

Why is the article left open otherwise? Is freedom of speech getting harder to publish in Canada too?
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Re: The Power of Suggestion (Psychology 101)

Postby Knuckle » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:34 pm

prom wrote:
Knuckle wrote:- he calls Putin a neo-fascist when they are the ones backing fascism.[/size][/i]



Do you even know what fascism is?


How about Some More on Fascism?

If you go to my new post on the downing on MH17, you can read more articles that also show fear of censorship viewtopic.php?f=38&t=5097&start=30

Does Canada or the US protest the new restrictions placed upon reporters by the Ukraine government? Of course not, this is the same limitations the US put upon reporters during the Iraq war. We also knew it was wrong then too! This might make some viewers here happy though as I likely won't have much to work with very soon at all. Who knows, you might be able to swallow the CNN spiels someday without vomiting!

- Journalists discuss how the new restrictions imposed by Ukraine will prevent world news agencies the ability to collect their own news of this war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-4cz3Y2f9M
They claim it will make east Ukraine become the black hole of information.

- another link showing the new recruits that the Ukraine army has drafted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z6wGAI8H9Y
Note the lack of the word "Volunteers", lack of any discipline, people carrying plywood guns, and mention that they never thought it could come to this!

So are these the actions of a fascist society? Are they not dictating to the people the rules set by leader who allows no opposition? And yet then why is it that a democratic society imposes such actions upon a country that wishes to join their club? Do they believe that this is just required to pass the initiation into democracy? Or are our leaders capitalizing upon the greed of corrupt puppet politicians they helped put into power?
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