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Re: Home defense

Postby Knuckle » Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:36 am

I used to make and install window bars and other security systems years ago in Calgary. During all that time I never put any on my own property as I have rottwheillers that seem to deter thieves. But that aside, here is what I have learned:

1. Window bars on the outside tend to diswade thieves before they break your window.

2. When placed inside, paint them white so thieves can see them better(before they break your window and leave).

3. Install your own bars but only buy those that have a tube within a tube, as the C-shaped outer tube design usually folds at the first kick.

4. Dont use bolts to anchor as the thief can remove them. I used #10 taper head screws which fit the #3 Robinson(red handled) screwdriver. Buy a box of #4 aught 12 gauge shotgun shells and break one apart. Using a small counterpunch for finishing nails, tap (1) BB into each mounting screw on your window bars. Now neither you nor a thief can remove those bars.

5. If they get in anyways, I put a can of bearspray by each door. (Luckily we live in the bush so it is a viable excuse where I live--- as them southern tree huggers took away our spring bear hunt, so were deep in bear shit nowadays).

6. While no one wants to rott in jail, we don't want to waste that shotgun shell either. Since they frown on us killing thieves, I replace the BB's with rocksalt and mark the shell accordingly. My wife states she could likely pull the trigger if alone, (but only if she knows that she won't kill anything....????) so 2 rocksalt rounds are in first place on folding butt rack. If she happens to start at the other end of the rack, I've promised to visit when it's not snowing,raining, but not during fishing or hunting season other such important events!
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Re: Home defense

Postby BallisticPrepper » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:12 am

I didn't have time to read the entire forum as it was quite lengthy. Some responses were very good And some down right ignorant. This forum also touched several topics within the topic.

My advice for using deadly force defending your home is it will fly in the face of a superior court judge. The key is in articulation. Remember the old adage, " it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"... I don't want to share all of life's secrets on an open forum, I'll just defer to, if the shtf, you don't have to worry about justification. Because by defending your food/water/property etc.. is in itself justification, because if they take it, you are dead.

"Prep hard and train harder"
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Re: Home defense

Postby Knuckle » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:32 pm

BTW, nice Rotty you have there Carbon! And although I am all for archery and arrow slinging there Archer, one can only last a short time at full draw with even a compound (far less for a longbow). This is really not the weapon of choice for home defense....

It is ironic that many American websites thus preclude that if you face a home invasion, it is best that you kill the intruder instead. This is due to the fact that the police then only have your testimony to go on and have no other option but to take your word on the matter. You best hope that there are no other witnesses though either...

Remember the drugstore owner in Calgary that shot the robber as he fled? The issue was that the owner's life was no longer in danger when he shot the robber in the back. Not that the robber will be more confident to commit the same crime again and again!

Unless we are in a state of total anarchy where there no longer is any law to fear such reprisals, one still has to consider their actions hard and fast before they squeeze that trigger. Even if the perpetrator has a long list of previous convictions, you will still be behind bars for a long time! I know it sucks and this is why crime rates soar too. Taking preventative measures to avoid such outcomes is a far better choice, no matter how unfair it seems. But you''ll sleep better knowing you did and if it comes to where you have to shoot it out, you'll look far more innocent when a jury realizes what other measures you had in place to avoid this outcome.
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Re: Home defense

Postby BallisticPrepper » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:12 am

All this talk about bars... I went to the scrap yard today and picked up enough wrought iron to do all of my windows. I just welsed my first set and painted them. I must say. They look professional and I have not welded in ages. These will be great for my cottage. For my house, I contracted a wrought iron guy who is retired. For 20$ a window, he will weld ones that look much prettier for my house.

For overkill...

I found a guy in Toronto who manufactures steel entry doors. For an extra 150 bucks, he can add in a piece of 1/4" sheet of hardened steel inside the door. The problem is figuring out how many more hinges I need to support the door. Lmfao.
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Re: Home defense

Postby Knuckle » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:34 pm

Good score Ballistic. Did you see the mention of how I locked in the screws i with BB's? This is so a patient thief doesn't just remove them totally in the night. I used to build window bars with 1/4" total clearance and the framework was done in 1" angle iron. Basement windows were removable and held on 2 pins on 1 side and a padlock on the other. The key was hung out of reach but still near the window for fire escape reasons. Window bar spacing and hand rail is 4" maximum so fools don't get stuck (as even a thief can still sue you if this happens)..... :?
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Re: Home defense

Postby CSG » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:07 am

UKVet wrote:l think to much overt home security/defence is an invitation to invasion. One of the best forms of defense in this case i belive is secrecy. A big dog is common enough and a good deterant.


agreed, I have done many upgrades at my house but I made sure that when done from the outside it looks like a regular house. I do not use cameras as I do believe these are an invitation and they are easily thwarted.
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Re: Home defense

Postby BallisticPrepper » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:20 am

Knuckle, I like the idea... I was thinking of tack welding them... But, then didn't compensate for the escape plan. Today I revamped the idea and found some neat enclosed hinges I can put on the inside. Just have to think of a fool proof locking mechanism that can't be defeated on the inside.

Back to the drawing board. Sheesh
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Re: Home defense

Postby Knuckle » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:40 pm

Here is a basic design http://media1.picsearch.com/is?fXSeK8VU ... height=341
If you screw in a piece of angle on either side of that, you hinge off one side and latch to the other with tabs for a padlock. Angle covers screw access from outside and windowbars frame covers the screws. All spacing is under 4" to keep in legal in Canada.
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Re: Home defense

Postby Blackknight88 » Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:43 am

I like your design Knuckle..just one minor change however...How bout 12 000 volts attached to those metal bars? :)

Here is my deterrent....How bout a big dog dish outside with some kibbles and a huge dirty chain attached to a dirty dog collar with a chewed on bone from a cows hip? Keeps the crack heads clear of my house!! Maybe a oversized chew toy too.. :)
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Re: Home defense

Postby Knuckle » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:35 am

BallisticPrepper wrote:Knuckle, I like the idea... I was thinking of tack welding them... But, then didn't compensate for the escape plan. Today I revamped the idea and found some neat enclosed hinges I can put on the inside. Just have to think of a fool proof locking mechanism that can't be defeated on the inside.

Back to the drawing board. Sheesh


2 drilled tabs with a padlock works easily enough
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