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Maple Leaf Pilgrim
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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby Maple Leaf Pilgrim » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:00 pm

Okay, Syn. You jave far more than one question bundled up in this post. So stop, take a moment and choose one with which to start. Building a full role package for it as it stands will take time and bandwidth.
Syn wrote: Can you elaborate on what you have seen in other places and circumstance that motivates your prepping~


I'll start with this one.

I have seen the end of the world quite a few times now. Iraq, Afghanistan, The Balkans and a few other places I'm NaLTS. If you check out some of my posts here you'll get the gist of it. Each and every time I've seen it, I've witnessed desperation, fear and hatred rapidly followed by enormous amount of violence. I'll not get too detailed, but I am no stranger to self same violence.

The people who saw it coming and organized, or even just braced for it fared much better.

Here in the first world we are inoculated against the brutal realities of strife. I hope to help prepare as many as possible for the inevitable fall of society, either locally, regionally or world wide. I'd much rather look the fool for having prepared for naught, than to look the fool for not having prepared.

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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby Singlecell » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:25 pm

Maple Leaf Pilgrim wrote:Okay, Syn. You jave far more than one question bundled up in this post. So stop, take a moment and choose one with which to start. Building a full role package for it as it stands will take time and bandwidth.
Syn wrote: Can you elaborate on what you have seen in other places and circumstance that motivates your prepping~


I'll start with this one.

I have seen the end of the world quite a few times now. Iraq, Afghanistan, The Balkans and a few other places I'm NaLTS. If you check out some of my posts here you'll get the gist of it. Each and every time I've seen it, I've witnessed desperation, fear and hatred rapidly followed by enormous amount of violence. I'll not get too detailed, but I am no stranger to self same violence.

The people who saw it coming and organized, or even just braced for it fared much better.

Here in the first world we are inoculated against the brutal realities of strife. I hope to help prepare as many as possible for the inevitable fall of society, either locally, regionally or world wide. I'd much rather look the fool for having prepared for naught, than to look the fool for not having prepared.

-S.


Very interesting, especially the way you put it. Let's be honest with what you saw though. "The end of the world"... yes, no doubt it was all very similar to what most of us relate to being a SHTF scenario. But it was really only a select version, namely occupation.

Which is really one of my top most likely scenarios to be happening to us, that is, in Canada, since we have no military. Once you think about it, occupation, for any reason is very likely to happen in our lifetime if not this century.

My own city was placed under martial law once(obviously nowhere near as intense as real warfare, this is Toronto, the most bitch-made city in the world.) so I kinda got the jist of what to expect from the authorities, but I'd like to hear from you first hand what you saw, day by day, week by week, month by month, and the effects it had on the people. Tell me what public and private infrastructure was taken out first to cripple their way of life over there. Describe the techniques you used to spot resistance. I want to know about looting, violence, and rape. What services were available, before and after?

And despite the sound of my post, no, I have no partisan tone here, I just want to honestly know what happens when you occupy a country. I think Prepping for an enemy occupation could be an extremely popular and more importantly useful post to have on here.

Any details you can disclose would be appreciated.
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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby helicopilot » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:57 am

Singlecell wrote:
Which is really one of my top most likely scenarios to be happening to us, that is, in Canada, since we have no military. Once you think about it, occupation, for any reason is very likely to happen in our lifetime if not this century.


Dude, this is a slap in the face for many of us serving or former serving members of the Forces. And the rest of the post "I want to know about looting, violence, and rape" well, is quite creepy. Likely not what you meant (at least I hope), but comes across a bit sadistic and sociopathic.
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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby Singlecell » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:32 am

Fair enough. I'm well aware of we got some of the best trained forces in the world. I know a few myself. Take it from my perspective. What... didn't we just have two ships just crash into each other in the pacific? Aren't our fighter jets like 40 years old? Isn't it all falling apart??? I hear about broken submarines, broken helicopters and guns pre existing ww1 in the high arctic, "stealth" snowmobiles??? Is this media based drivel ? For what purpose?

Now add to this... are we not the third largest supplier of oil in the world? Did China not buy several Canadian Oil developments? Invasion sometimes happens without a shot being fired, you know...

If I'm wrong let me know. I know full well the main stream media is notorious for not saying what is necessarily true.

As for "looting, violence and rape." I don't think I can apologize for that. More over, I question why you would find creepy what is notorious throughout history.

If you think any of those three topics are out of the question in regards to military intervention, occupation of a country or all out war or invasion... Give me a break... it happens every time. Read up on it... it's like in every single war, since the Roman Empire. Since before that. I'm not saying HE or those he served with did it, but it DOES happen.

If you think thats creepy, then why would Veterans be invited to talk about the real thing? The way I understood it was, they're experts cause they are familiar with Iraq and Afganistan, and quoted as saying "I have seen the end of the world quite a few times now. Iraq, Afghanistan..." I am asking questions about Iraq and Afganistan.

Was this not the invitation to the thread?
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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby Syn » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:45 am

My question was not envisioning any particular occupation, just a general question of what others have seen in the world abroad that prompts them to continue to hone their prepping in general and defensive skills proffered in this thread. I was prompted to think of the idea of increasing immigration as a stressor from things like the IPCC reports expression of anticipating 150 million climate refugees by 2040 ever increasing the density of our populations . I tend to think someone like myself might be more naieve as to what preparations we should be making and I certainly do not trust our political structure on any level to be addressing planning for the future with any competance.

Maple Leaf Pilgrim, are the groups who braced as you say , smaller units of family and extended family or on the scale of regional communities ?
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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby helicopilot » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:41 am

Singlecell,

I'm not looking at picking up a fight and we can agree to disagree. For the first part on the Canadian Armed Forces (funny how "armed" has been slowly resurfacing after years of omission....), the situation is not as dire as it may seem on equipment. Could we have, as a first world nation, a larger military? Yes. Could the procurement system be streamlined and more efficient? You betcha. The reality is that we have to maintain a relevant armed forces to keep our seat as part of coalitions (NORAD, NATO...). This is what keeps the red dawn from invading Canada. It's the thought that They wouldn't have to just invade Canada, but that coalition partners would jump in the fight as well; an all for one, one for all situation. Also, coalitions are important for the sharing of intelligence. Chinese (for example) wouldn't just board their ship one day and cruise to Vancouver to seize it. As they mount up their campaign, they would surely leave some nuggets of information that would give allies some time to prepare a defensive; large scale wars just don't happen out of the blue.

As for the part on rape, pillage, torture and murders, I would think that this venue is not the best suited one for this. At the end, the internet is full in info on war atrocities and war crimes, from Nazi camps, to Omarska (Bosnia), to Ghengis Khan. Atrocities may be a reality in a WROL / TEOTWAKI situation, but I would say there is much more to think of as a prepper than to go down that route of discussion. At the end, the only way you can be prepared for those things consist of having a strong moral compass, faith (in whatever power you may believe in), strong character, weapons and the will to use them to do the right thing and intervene when needed.
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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby Maple Leaf Pilgrim » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:08 am

Marauders and war criminals at large tended to get killed more often than not in my SOAs for some reason.

Just sayin'.

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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby Singlecell » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:14 pm

helicopilot wrote:Singlecell,

I'm not looking at picking up a fight and we can agree to disagree. For the first part on the Canadian Armed Forces (funny how "armed" has been slowly resurfacing after years of omission....), the situation is not as dire as it may seem on equipment. Could we have, as a first world nation, a larger military? Yes. Could the procurement system be streamlined and more efficient? You betcha. The reality is that we have to maintain a relevant armed forces to keep our seat as part of coalitions (NORAD, NATO...). This is what keeps the red dawn from invading Canada. It's the thought that They wouldn't have to just invade Canada, but that coalition partners would jump in the fight as well; an all for one, one for all situation. Also, coalitions are important for the sharing of intelligence. Chinese (for example) wouldn't just board their ship one day and cruise to Vancouver to seize it. As they mount up their campaign, they would surely leave some nuggets of information that would give allies some time to prepare a defensive; large scale wars just don't happen out of the blue.

As for the part on rape, pillage, torture and murders, I would think that this venue is not the best suited one for this. At the end, the internet is full in info on war atrocities and war crimes, from Nazi camps, to Omarska (Bosnia), to Ghengis Khan. Atrocities may be a reality in a WROL / TEOTWAKI situation, but I would say there is much more to think of as a prepper than to go down that route of discussion. At the end, the only way you can be prepared for those things consist of having a strong moral compass, faith (in whatever power you may believe in), strong character, weapons and the will to use them to do the right thing and intervene when needed.



Well man, thanks for explaining yourself. Sometimes over the internet, it's hard to gauge what is appropriate and what is not, and how deep we can get in these topics, so forgive me. I guess I wanted a full assessment of the situation. And like I said, no disrespect to the training of the Canadian Armed Forces at all.
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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby Maple Leaf Pilgrim » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:05 am

I have found the training the Canadians get to be quite good. In fact the average Canadian infantryman is as good as a US Army Ranger.

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Re: Ask a leader security & defense questions here

Postby puceprepperz » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:10 am

sorry guys been super busy last few weeks and gonna be so probably until nov. Going to southern US for miltary jumps with some of the guys from international teams, and doing a HALO jump for shits and giggles. Then might be going to mexico Baja - for baja 1000. I will try to respond as best I can while in and out over the next bit
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