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Mom wants firearms

Postby althetrainer » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:26 pm

My husband and I live in a decent neighborhood in Calgary with our 15 year old boy. I am a prepper but they take no interest in emergency preparedness. I always want to be trained to handle firearms but my husband and son are strongly against the idea. They don't even want me to go for training let alone keeping any firearms at home. They maintained baseball bats are more effective when it came to fighting intruders (because guns are locked in safe) and that if we used a gun or anything in that nature very likely we would be charged.

I've read about good citizens got charged for protecting themselves in Canada so their concern might have some merits. But I am a woman with inferior strength compared to men. Wouldn't that make sense to have something to protect myself while I am at home alone? We can't have a dog because our son has allergy.
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby term0shad » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:34 pm

First off size and strength doesn't mean crap in a fight. Knowledge and skill. Not against guns or rifles. I have them. Maybe look at self defense classes also. Plus training with house hold items. Almost anything can be used as a weapon. Can't have a gun 24/7 with you.
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby HopeImReady » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:20 am

Your profile says you are in the Calgary area. There is a Krav Maga studio: http://fight34.com/ As a short woman, I found Krav Maga to be very female-friendly, as it focuses on practical self-defence and the natural body movements and reactions, regardless of your size (or your attacker's). Another option, if you are still interested in firearms, is to find a local range and see if you can go watch, or possibly an open house (mine has one twice a year). Bring your spouse, maybe they will see how safe it is & get past the "scary" factor. I have friends that I've brought as guests - they were always curious but too intimidated to just show up alone.
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby helicopilot » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:22 am

Sadly, your son and husband may be right as guns are so frowned upon for self defense in Canada that you'd likely find yourself in an ever ending court case if you used one to defend yourself (makes no sense). A few cans of strategically placed bear spray (a Kananaskis stray grizzly coming your way?!?) in your house could serve as equalizer in a break and enter case where you are home alone. Pair that with one of those super powerful flashlight and you could win a fight.

It's still good to have firearms knowledge and if you feel like you want to take this as a hobby, I hope your family would understand.
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby peppercorn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:40 am

Good advice in each of the above posts. I will throw in my 2 cents....Everything is good, from being physically able, to using a firearm, but nothing is without consequences....such is life...your physical ability will decline (over time), no if ands or buts about it, but firearms are also not without consequences. I mean legally.. its not just what if you use one, I am in the I would rather be judged by 12 court myself, but firearms in Canada have lots of how should I say this, periphery consequences that many don't forsee ! Just in the ownership, let alone using category!
now I should say I am biased, I love shooting, and have owned many interesting, useful things in my lifetime, I have also had some of my firearms property confiscated ( not lately). I don't have enough fingers to count the number of friends who have had legal problems, due to firearms ownership, sometimes due to marital break up, Legal changes, Classification changes, registration / moving mistakes (with restricted firearms). Just the ownership opens you up to legal consequences (storage) and invites inquiry into your life by health profesionals and others.
If ownership is just for self protection, as it appears to be in your case, I would give it serious thought...
I would advise going with some self defence training, then just to avoid all the legal ramifications of firearms ownership, consider a crossbow...specifically a MK model, I have owned both the MK 150, and the model below that, that I have forgot the name of, in fact I recommend that model to you. It had folding arms, you would of course keep the bolted arms into the extended position for your application. This model does not require a cocking aid, in a instant you can pull back the string and be ready to fire, the arms are short, you can walk through doorways with this model no problem. I have trees on my property that have target point arrows embedded so far into the tree that I could not pull them out. With a broad head tip screwed on, at room or yard distances, I cant even imagine the penetration on a human target this would do. No legal consequences owning this unit, and the last time I seen a sale price was 79.00 dollars, maybe 99 for a list price....cheap....dirt cheap and no legal down sides to ownership!!
I know where to buy in Edmonton, but not Calgary....I am sure the googler will find you one if your interested. , I think it was a mk 130, though it could have been a mk 120 model....

Of course should you decide firearms are what rocks your boat, then I recommend the time proven 1911, I like 45 caliber in pistol...230 grains...I am old school in my choice of hand guns, though am quite open minded and experimental with the long barrels.
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby helicopilot » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:46 pm

Dang I love the topic of guns, so I'll add a bit too.

An issue about training in Canada is that there are no training facilities that would teach tactical applications of firearm shooting (IPSC clubs are probably the closest). No one would mention to you the issues of shooting in a house, over penetration, tactics, low light shooting etc. Essentially all that is what you're looking for.

Walking with a loaded firearm (pistol or shotgun) in your house at night while the kids are sleeping, because you heard broken glass... That's how hubby gets shot in the kitchen while going for a midnight glass of milk. Adrenaline and all, confusion, improper or lack of situational awareness, etc. You can't take that bullet back after the trigger has been squeezed. This is why, despite being a gun nuts myself, I would be careful about recommending firearms for self defense by novice people.
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby peppercorn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:28 pm

its a MK 120, and looks like they now come with fixed arms, not folding like mine was. Once you start going higher power, then you may need cocking aids, in this vid you can see even a 120 pound skinny kid can cock it no problem, The arrows it comes with are crap but will do the job.
Its usable out of the box though I would give it a trigger job myself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwGf1rJ0uRM
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby scrounger » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:43 pm

Blunts or broadheads?
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby peppercorn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:53 pm

its comes with target points but you just buy broadheads if you wish and screw them on. Even this low powered model is absolutely lethal, broadheads are nasty on flesh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=931zjos7SOo
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Re: Mom wants firearms

Postby scrounger » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:42 pm

I wonder what would be best? Broadhead for max damage, but tricky to handle when in a hurry. Very easy to cut yourself on. Blunts would hurt like hell but probably not fatal. Field points would need head or heart shot?

Althetrainer, I'm curious. Your husband and son mention baseball bats. Do they actually have them? I'm partial to aluminum t-ball bat.
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