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Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:53 pm
by Hella Fax
I feel my post's subject line is rather lame, considering I'm on a site dedicated to people preparing for such an event, but at the same time, I don't know where else to begin.

I recently finished reading Michael Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil, and if any of you haven't read this book, I cannot bring strong enough terms to bear in urging you to do so immediately. For those of you who have read it (I hope there are some), this query - which is what this post really is - won't need explaining. For those who haven't, and for whom preparing for a disaster is something of a hobby, based on a general feeling that a crisis is coming at some point, I want to say that you are more right than you know, and that a crisis is coming, and coming in the worst sort of way, and it is at a point nearer in the future than you could possibly wish, if you were at all sane. Put simply, we're in big, big trouble, and it isn't some vague, remote possibility, anymore. I don't know for sure how little time we have, because there are so many dynamics involved, but I suspect we have a single-digit number of years before things will overtly evolve to a point where we are too late for effective action in preparing for it.

I don't want to get into the topic in depth, because even to cover the basics of it, I know from a recent attempt at it which took almost 4,500 words, is more than you want to read here, and more than I want to write. But the very simplest description of the coming collapse is this:

We are on the decline of oil production. This is a far more serious, and far more imminent problem than the mainstream media has even hinted at, and one most people aren't even aware of. In truth, most of what attention has been paid to the general subject of oil is of the nature of reporting on new sources discovered, or being developed, and of course on the subject of the hazards of fracking and the environmental repercussions of tar sands extraction, which serves to, in effect, be the bunny puppet that everyone is looking at while something else is going on we're not supposed to see.

World War III is already beginning. This war is going to be the longest, most widespread war which the planet has ever seen by a margin that makes the preceding two seem like relatively minor conflicts. It will eventually split the long-time 'Allies,' and the US will go to war with the EU over their share of the oil eventually, and will - likely sooner than that - invade and annex Canada for our water, land, and other resources, whether as overtly as is implied by the words I chose, or by more subtle methods. I have encountered more than sufficient information to make myself certain of these things, but couldn't even begin to make a scratch in that information here. I hope that my word can be taken for it.

When oil becomes too expensive, the entire global economy will collapse. 95% of everything uses oil as the source of energy. No more job, no more home heating, no more vehicle to drive around in, no more transport for food and other necessities. Full on, flat out collapse, and right here in Nova Scotia. That would be bad enough if we didn't have the threat of biological and other technological weapons by the intelligence-driven US military industrial complex to worry about - not to mention the very strong possibility of a nuclear war between Russia and the US occurring. Putin has recently directly referred to Russia's capability and willingness in this regard. Putin knows what's at play in the world of geopolitics right now, and he's not playing games. This isn't the 80's anymore; the game has a lot higher stakes now than it did then, and the major players in geopolitics are all well aware of this.

The peak of oil production was reached in about 2005. This was long expected. The decline from that plateau began about 2010. The slope we are just embarking on - of production downward, and price upward - will become steeper and steeper, quicker and quicker, as other aggravating factors - such as the wars brewing right now - begin to come into play. Global consumption is, with a complete lack of regard for this decline, on the rise. If memory serves, it is expected to rise by 50% from 2004 levels by 2020, or 2025. When less can be produced than was being produced in 2004, this is a massive problem. When the US is acting as they have done with the Gulf War, and since 9/11, to secure their control over all the major oil supplies and main shipping lanes, seeking to cut everyone else out of the equation, considering their plans to deal with this surplus demand - depopulation - we have a very serious situation in front of us. Canada would be a lot easier to take if the country was in shambles from a deadly influenza outbreak, don't you think?

I feel like I've just made a meandering scratch in the situation, but I hope it's been effective enough to portray just how deep we are in *censored* I'm a potty mouth creek. I still said more than I wanted to, but I feel that what I have had to say still falls woefully short of communicating the seriousness of our predicament, and the immediacy of the necessity that we begin to prepare now.

If you can see the implications of this kind of collapse, then hopefully you will also realize that the only way to survive this level of catastrophe is to gather large groups of people, resources, and skillsets together into communities that are self-sufficient and can protect themselves from other groups of people who will intend to pray upon just such groups. Imagine what will happen in the cities, with all the armed criminals, both organized and not, when they can't get food anymore. They're not going to stay in the cities, because there will be nothing useful for survival there. We will see organized crime spawn warlords just like in Africa, and mobs will gather around the people with guns and the loudest voices. Here. In Nova Scotia.

I am neither a nutcase, nor a conspiracy theorist. As insane as it sounds, this is reality, and it cannot be averted.

I have been planning for this kind of event for about 25 years. I feel my purpose is to help bring groups of people together for these ends, and to coordinate the development of this kind of community. But I need help, and this is why I'm here.

I live on the south shore, but am from the Annapolis Valley, originally. My family has a slew of land there - mostly farmland - and though they don't know it yet, I intend to turn this land into a community. I'm seeking others in this general area of Nova Scotia who wish to get together in real life and explore ideas and resources, and make plans. If you're interested in becoming involved in something like this, please leave me a response.

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:53 pm
by cernunnos5
Well. It sounds to me like you had to get than off your chest for a while. :lol: I'm Long past the Kubler-Ross 5 stages of grief phase of prepping. I can laugh my way through it all. Its far more than Peak (cheap) oil and potable water. Its best summed up as Peak Everything. That's why I already live at our 110 acre farm property, spending the years necessary to get it ready. Its also peak prosperous,(fertiliser), peak uranium, peak credit, peak capital, peak copper (and all other metals), peak infrastructure (our roads, bridges, levies, rail systems, ports,etc are breaking down faster than we can afford to repair them and we no longer have the capital to rebuild them like grandpa had) peak government, peak social structure. Peak everything. We have past them all and are on the down slope. Weeeeeeee!!!!.

I would like you to read this. viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4352
Building a prepper group takes several frustrating years of hard work. I don't expect everyone to join mine (not everyone is compatible). Everyone has my blessing to start there own....and hopefully we can connect to support each other. Hopefully, I can point out some of the pitfalls. Feel free to contact me through Private message...but that function on IPN only opens to you after you have made 3 posts. We do already have one remarkable family in our group in the Annapolis Valley. I eventually plan to divide our group, as we grow, into three, more manageable, groups. One on the north shore. One in Hali. One in everyone has members close by that they can call for help.

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:53 pm
by cernunnos5
This was a random podcast I was listening to. I didn't know where to put it but it seemed to go well hear. enjoy ... angiorgio/

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:17 pm
by Goldie
This concept of using land you already have, will hopefully get you a community going. Many people just
don't have the funds to invest in extra land besides where they are currently living and working.
It is also scary wondering if you buy land if you will loose all your investment money.
However people may be more willing to invest in such a community where the land is already
available and it is more their time , efforts, skills, knowledge, hard work,
and of course building supplies and other supplies are needed.

I wish you good fortune in this plan, and hope you keep us informed . It's always good to hear
other community plans and ideas.

Welcome to the forum

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:30 pm
by Knuckle
I found a link to that book here for those using the pay later plan :D ... 95299.html

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:49 pm
by cernunnos5
Crossing the Rubicon has become a classic though I have never read it. Its a shame Michael Rupert killed himself this year. He had his good side and his bad side as we all do.

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:16 am
by Hella Fax
Knuckle wrote:I found a link to that book here for those using the pay later plan :D ... 95299.html
If anyone is planning on reading it on a phone (as I have), in the PDF, the text to be too small to read it without zooming, which causes you to have to horizontally scroll for every line...screw that. Anyone wants an ePub version, hit me up. Its full of formatting errors, because I don't know what I'm doing using Calibre, like misplaced headers and page numbers and such, but it's perfectly readable, and you get used to them...I did.

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:12 pm
by Cares
Lindsey Williams has some interesting stuff to say about oil and the coming collapse...worth looking up or getting hold of some of his DVD's

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:51 am
by Hella Fax
I'm busy, and would like to have had the time to have more to say already, but as yet, I haven't. honestly, I kinda wish that initial post had been a little less off the cuff than it was, but c'est la vie, non? However, I will definitely have more to say soon, for anyone reading this who may be interested in what I have to say. Meantime, if I'm 'reading the signs' correctly, this will constitute my third post, and enable me to correspond by private message. How nice a coincidence is that? ;)

Re: Seeking others who know a collapse is coming

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:43 pm
by Hella Fax
cernunnos5 wrote:Its far more than Peak (cheap) oil and potable water. Its best summed up as Peak Everything.
Though I already had some awareness of the other issues, it was really the Peak Oil issue that was new to me. I knew that 9/11 was a pretext to go into the Middle East for oil - I just didn't know why. Now I do.

But water is something Canadians are in special trouble for: the US has been bugging us for 50 years to sell them water, and thus far, we've refused. But I've been watching the drought situation in the States, and it's getting to the point where they're not going to take no for an answer, anymore. And though this surprised me exactly none, I came across two old, declassified plans by the US to invade and annex Canada, the declassification of which means exactly nothing to me. They declassified MK Ultra - and went on to develop microwave and ULF sound weapons to directly interact with the human brain. They declassified the Northwoods document - and then intentionally facilitated the attacks of 9/11 (at the very least), and covered this fact up, as a pretext to go into Iraq and Afghanistan. Just because they declassified previous plans to invade Canada clearly does not mean they have abandoned those plans. If anything, we're approaching the period in time in which those plans have the greatest justification in history.

Our environment has been receiving it anally - dry - for a long time, now. We've passed the 'Tipping Point,' I have no doubt. Everything in our society has been either mismanaged, or intentionally mal-managed for a long time now. Metals, trees, the oceans...the derivative bubble is about to burst, and the seeming rebound from the economic groaning of 2009 is just a temporary illusion. Everything has been stacked haphazardly by these psychopaths running the show like some kind of house of toothpicks. The crumbling is apparent everywhere, if you know what to look for.

But the oil crisis is the worst immediate crisis we're going to have to face. And it isn't just as simple as oil becoming too expensive to buy, by any stretch. The geopolitics and economic repercussions of it are staggering. And that many groups of elites have been working the situation with extermination plans just makes the whole situation more volatile. We really are in trouble.