Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

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Protector
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Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Protector » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:03 pm

Your taking chances hidding too. To me a group a the tried and tested castle could protected everyone and help a community and keep the peace in an area. it woulds take a lot of money and a big group to pull off. What pisses me off is I see all these great people homesteading and I know we would get 4 times more done if two hard working people would work together. Just 2 imagine a group! I've done it before. It wasn't repaid but their fences and animals/ roofs thanked me everyday and still do today. The effects of working together on a homestead is long lasting through time. Just look at Elisa Spring farm. Those families are going to have enough perennial fruit to sell and feed their families! Its like its a badge of honor to suffer alone! People are going to say wives help and thank goodness I have one that does but brute strength really make a difference along with experience. You try to give people land to farm on and they won't take it! Large cities do better for this because of population density. This is why being in an extremely low density area I have to span my net so wide. I'm thinking about having land in an eco village just to be near like minded folks working together. Preppers are the most paranoid folk I know!

Everyone wants a MAG and harps about it. Nobody is truly willing to put the perrenial systems in place to support such a community.

What if they don't return my help?

Then you don't need to waste anymore time on them! Plus karmas a bitch! I wouldn't want that kind of luck clouding over me. You got experience and are even more valuable to a group. I learned bare hand fence building from these type of people and I'm greatfull for that. I used to cut and then drag the firewood home for an old lady on a kids sled lol That's hard work!

 

What if they find my homestead and come take it come TEOTWAWKI?

I would never mess with a homesteader. Their much stronger than you and would beat you with experience. We're hunters/ trappers and protecting our land is what we do to survive. It's everything to us because the land protects our families in absence of a MAG. They'll pick easer targets than us and if not nobody will have o worry about them anymore.

I don't have time?

You have time to mess around on the Internet. You have time to fumble around trying to get things done by yourself. Taking months to build a small garden when a larger one could be made in a week and you'd be years ahead. 

Just continue working alone and being alone. The second one of you gets sick the whole homestead shuts down to a trickle and you'll be another good example of why homesteading doesn't work.

Do you live in a great place and would like a family like mine helping you have a real self sufficient homestead? Do you want to do the same on mine?  MSG me here or g r e n i e r          @         g a r d e n e r       .     c o m  



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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Wayne » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:12 pm

Protector wrote: Everyone wants a MAG and harps about it.
Protector, I know that this is difficult for you to believe, but not everyone has the same goals as you do. Sometimes groups of people are counter-productive.

In 1970, I had the experience of living on a commune. At the time, peace, love and back-to-the-land was the way of things. What it taught me was that people are people. Many will not do their share of work and be a drain on the whole. As the generations pass, it's my observation that the younger folks seem to have less discipline and possess an attitude of entitlement and don't know what it means to do hard things. This doesn't apply to everyone, but I'd have to say the majority that I've had dealings with fit into this category (and considering what I've done for a living, I've dealt with an awful lot of people over the years).

In teaching wilderness survival, it's become very apparent that how people get along in a group often changes when they have to undergo uncertainty and hardship. A shortage of food and water and the loss of the creature comforts that they've come to expect creates unbelievable changes. What you start with as a group, is seldom what you finish with...

The best MAG for me is my family (three fit military trained sons in their early 30's, Grandsons 8 and 13, a pioneer type wife and myself). Perhaps this would be extended to include Veteran military/police friends and their families, but this would be situational and based on need. Certainly cooperation is in order with neighbours and others who have special skill-sets that we don't possess. I would try to help anyone truly in-need.
Protector wrote: What if they find my homestead and come take it come TEOTWAWKI?

I would never mess with a homesteader. Their much stronger than you and would beat you with experience. We're hunters/ trappers and protecting our land is what we do to survive. It's everything to us because the land protects our families in absence of a MAG. They'll pick easer targets than us and if not nobody will have o worry about them anymore.
Another fact is that a well-trained group of assaulters would not have any difficulty breaching the defenses of any homestead. If they have any brains, they'll NOT "pick easier targets than us." If that wisdom was correct, there would be no bank robberies as it's easier to rob the corner store.

You pick targets with the biggest reward and where do you think that is? Bob's apartment or a homestead that has water, power and a year's worth of provisions?? The best reliable defense is secrecy and not in fortifying your homestead. Fortification will attract the element you hope to avoid (I really don't understand how so many Preppers don't get this).
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.

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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Protector » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:39 pm

It has become clear to me Wayne that 95% of the time you only have negative things to say. Please stay away from my posts and I'll do the same for you promisse

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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by term0shad » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:46 am

I agree with both. You need a group of people who wotk together. Aka mag group or what ever you want to call it. Also agree with keeping it low key and a secret to a degree. There is 20 others in the group that come out when they can to help. 5 people that live full time on property with at least 2 on it at all times 24/7. We have a second location if first cant be held if shtf. That location is kept a secret till people prove themselves. Also very limited access to second property even in nice weather. He made sure it would be a pain to get to. Don't want anyone to be able to just drive in. Plus now we are looking at 160 acres to buy in the future. Possibly next yr. Plus closer to Edmonton instead of a 2.5 hr drive. Area we are now at is white court area.

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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Wayne » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:44 am

Protector wrote:It has become clear to me Wayne that 95% of the time you only have negative things to say. Please stay away from my posts and I'll do the same for you promisse
Hopefully, we're all here to learn something from the experiences of others. I believe that I've benefited in the past from all comments made and not only the ones that I happen to agree with.

From a MAG perspective, I hope that you're not as intolerant as your last post suggests. Not everyone in your MAG will agree with you all the time, When they don't, I hope you can be more open minded.

My opinions (like anyone's) are largely a reflection of my experiences. They're not the same experiences as others. No one has to agree with them and I reserve the right to comment on anything on this site. I hope you don't hesitate to do the same. Personally, I learn more from postings that respectfully challenge my position than agree with them.

It's unfortunate that you've felt offended by my post. That was not my intent.
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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Protector » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:49 pm

Trem0Shad: Thank you very much for giving me hope. Your situation sounds ideal. Alberta is so much more conducive to MAG'S than my area. I'm hoping to have the same someday. I got an invite to meet some folks at a BOL so things are looking up. People think preppers are crazy but most I've met are professionals and vetted in society. In the know. It's about keeping families safe no matter what. No bodies an island. These Ppl see the best and worse in society just like I do everyday. If we're worried everyone should be. I like the idea that the second BOL is secret till they prove themselves. Making sure Ppl live at the BOL is important to me as well. In Africa Ppl live off mud and whatever they can find. 1000$ in food storage and Ppl can live a very very long time. Preppers don't worry me. That's fewer Ppl to worry about.

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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Clarence » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:04 am

term0shad wrote:I agree with both. You need a group of people who wotk together. Aka mag group or what ever you want to call it. Also agree with keeping it low key and a secret to a degree. There is 20 others in the group that come out when they can to help. 5 people that live full time on property with at least 2 on it at all times 24/7. We have a second location if first cant be held if shtf. That location is kept a secret till people prove themselves. Also very limited access to second property even in nice weather. He made sure it would be a pain to get to. Don't want anyone to be able to just drive in. Plus now we are looking at 160 acres to buy in the future. Possibly next yr. Plus closer to Edmonton instead of a 2.5 hr drive. Area we are now at is white court area.
Thermo. Question for you. What the incentive for a shtf bol less ten 2.5 hours from major city? Is it more for Weekend access...? Shtf situations don’t usually occur out of the blue or would prevent you from doing backroad route to further location?

Not that I am ant better. In fact I am closer than you to major city. It just so happens I have a good setup and feel better here than in an area I am not known etc

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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by term0shad » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:12 am

Closer is mainly for work. 2.5 hrs there and back is 5 hrs added to my day i can think of a ton of different things i could get done. Plus closer would make it easyer to get other people out in a shtf issue. But winter is coming and this yr i decided not to work in the cold any more then i have to. Have enough side jobs set up this winter that i won't need to drive the crappy roads and deal with idiot drivers. Plus 160 acres means we can add more people to group and have more live out at the spot too. More hands makes stuff get done faster and less busting my ass off to get stuff done.

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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Protector » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:58 pm

term0shad wrote:Closer is mainly for work. 2.5 hrs there and back is 5 hrs added to my day i can think of a ton of different things i could get done. Plus closer would make it easyer to get other people out in a shtf issue. But winter is coming and this yr i decided not to work in the cold any more then i have to. Have enough side jobs set up this winter that i won't need to drive the crappy roads and deal with idiot drivers. Plus 160 acres means we can add more people to group and have more live out at the spot too. More hands makes stuff get done faster and less busting my ass off to get stuff done.
Great thinking. I know it's probably on you but someone has to start the process.

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Re: Keeping the faith you'll find a working MAG

Post by Denob » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:59 pm

The problem with blanket statements such as "the mauraders will kill you for your preps" or "you need more people to be able to be secure" is that everyone's situation is different. Demographics are not the same, and evry SHTF situation has it's own unique variables.

Maybe being a big target is a problem, maybe not.
Maybe being a small hidden group is a problem, maybe not.

Figure out what YOU think you need to do and let others do the same.

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